The difference between the Divas then and now

Pros then:

- The divas were promoted alot more and better

- The divas had way more title matches and more random title matches on regular TV

- WWE and the fans cared alot more about the divas back then than now

-The booking was alot better back then

- The divas had way more photo shoots, merchadise and etc...

Cons then:

-Sometimes it was too much T & A( but I liked it)

its more but I'm too lazy to post more so please post more for me please

you forgot one, they actually had divas that could wrestle. btw, where are the cons? obviously they had their flaws

whats with this "they had those that could wrestle" BS Lol
back then they had their fair share of ones who couldnt wrestle ie Torrie, Stacey, Sable, Kat, Debra, Terri.

the only reason now they have more, is cos they have like double the amount of divas they did back then. but even then still half of the current divas *the ones being pushed* all can wrestle ie Beth, Mickie, Michelle, Melina etcetc

LL Sr. wrote:

whats with this "they had those that could wrestle" BS Lol
back then they had their fair share of ones who couldnt wrestle ie Torrie, Stacey, Sable, Kat, Debra, Terri.

Victoria, Lita, Trish, Ivory, Jazz, Jacqueline...all could wrestle

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LL Sr. wrote:

whats with this "they had those that could wrestle" BS Lol
back then they had their fair share of ones who couldnt wrestle ie Torrie, Stacey, Sable, Kat, Debra, Terri.

Victoria, Lita, Trish, Ivory, Jazz, Jacqueline...all could wrestle

Natalya, Beth, Katie, Jillian, Mickie, Gail, Melina, Michelle...all can wrestle
as i said its just a case of their being twice as many divas, half being models

Where is Molly in that list Dead? Perhaps the best female wrestler and you avoid her? BAD!

There was a time wwe had Gail Kim, Trish, Ivory, Jazz, Molly, Jacqueline, Nidia, Victoria, Lita who could wrestle

We had Dawn Marie who could hold her own and get the job done.

And let's face it, Stacey nor Torrie has seen bad days like Layla, kelly, ect.

Their was a wrestling priority.

Actual Wrestlers? Natalya, Beth, Mickie, Gail Kim.........Melina Katie & Michelle to some extent, let's face it, they aren't that great.

Jillian lost it, her 10 year career should come to a serious end.

Then you have Alicia, Kelly, Eve, Brie, Nicole, Layla, Courtny, Savana, Rosa, Trinity, Maryse.......

4 actual wrestlers, 3 mediocre wrestlers, one who's losing it day by day....and loads of whores running wild...yup things are diffinantly looking up.

I know the women of today suffer from a lack of a good booking, but sometimes I think we take for granted how the women of the past were able to get noticed, even with the small roles they placed. It was small but impactful moments that really led to bigger things for them. Those women worked to prove their ability to be a star for the company and it was their work that brought together an entire diva franchise. WWE didn't just say, 'hey, let's invest in diva magazines and DVDs and let's start making diva merchandise and hope for the best'. No, they saw the draw these women were having, they gave them material to work with and they excelled and it created a demand for them, a demand that the WWE saw and targeted.

While there was more eye candy spots back in the day, it served its purpose in, overall, pushing characters and storylines and ultimatley, it benefited both the women and the product.

It also helped that the division of 2001-2003 didn't rely on a ton of newbies and few rookies. It had few rookies and more experienced workers to guide them along. This made it a lot easier to avoid major train wreck matches. Of course, we still got some of those, but I think overall, the work that the past women have put on, overshadow any terrible match or promo they've had. It's the overall ability to entertain that those women have in spades compares to the women today.

I think that most of you hit the nail on the head. Even though we had T&A then too, most of the women (even how untrained) were willing to take crazy bumps at the least. Additionally this was the time where the women were trying ladder, cage and backstage brawl matches. I remember the infamous match where Ivory busted Lita open. The non traditionaly trained divas weren't overpushed back then like they are. They were like the sideactst to the main women. Now it's the opposite where talented and trained divas job night after night to models.

Agreed Edgegore, its a shame how bad things are. The current roster is easily one of the best ever, on paper. WWE Chooses to job out the ones with talent (Gail Kim, Jillian, Katie and Nattie) and push the ones who are not ready (Maryse, Kelly, Eve etc) The girls like Maryse, Layla, Kelly, should be valets on the side while the actual wrestlers handle the wrestling. WWE has all the right tools, they are using them the wrong way imo.

Then: the Divas sucked then too but they had a few good workers to keep it from being noticable and taking off their clothes wass a really good distraction.

Now: The Divas still suck but its more noticable now since they no longer use sexual content to make up for a good portion of it, hence it is much more obvious to see who are the workers and who are the space-fillers (of which there are a lot more of).

However, the WWE Divas were never about basing themselves on real women, only cartoons. Same philosophy applied to the Bond fims' Bond Girls for decades until the 90's started changing that around.....Vince loves stereotypes of all kinds: it greatly amuses him.

Blue Campbell wrote:

Agreed Edgegore, its a shame how bad things are. The current roster is easily one of the best ever, on paper. WWE Chooses to job out the ones with talent (Gail Kim, Jillian, Katie and Nattie) and push the ones who are not ready (Maryse, Kelly, Eve etc) The girls like Maryse, Layla, Kelly, should be valets on the side while the actual wrestlers handle the wrestling. WWE has all the right tools, they are using them the wrong way imo.

I agree. I think:

Then: The wrestlers like Lita, Trish, Molly, Jazz, Victoria, Gail, Ivory, ect were the ones who got to be pushed most of the time. The women who didnt wrestle as good like Stacy and Torrie served as valets or wrestled here and there and did the T/A stuff. They never really got pushed, though Stacy got pushed at one point, I think that was like her only push.

Now: They will push those who are "hot" and it dont matter if they are talented or not, They will push the hot ones simply becasuse they are hot. While those who are more experienced Like Nattie, Gail, Katie and Jillian are often being pushed aside. They still push the actual wrestlers but not very much anymore.

I think 2001-2004 was when the WWE had its best women's wrestling.

I feel if they put more effort in the ones who can work, insted of the ones who are "hot" then things will be better. Though I do understand that "hottness" sells, but how are they going to know what fans want if they dont take that chance and push different girls including the more experienced ones?

who is "hot" other then Maryse that they have pushed for longer then 2 week. No one that i can remember, i dont know why ppl keep complaining that eye candies with less wrestling skill then girls like Nattie, Jillian and Katie are being pushed instead of those for mentioned girls.
in reality Nattie will be pushed within time, Jillian is just as bad as these eye candies now, and from what i keep hearing she cant be made a champ because she doesnt attend as many house shows, which i champ should do. with Katie being moved off ECW its quite obvious that they are planning to use her somewhere with a title, that or release, thats their own decision.
all the talented divas cant be pushed ALL the time.
as for Blues whacked out excuse of Maryse, Kelly and Layla should valet not wrestle, dont forget to add that Alicia to that list, as she is just as shitty as those three. I think they need the wrestlers on Raw with the womens title consisting of Gail, Nattie, Beth, Melina, Mickie, Michelle, Katie and the ones who are not as bad witht the divas title on SD Jillian, Alicia, Layla, Maryse, Eve and Kelly. with Bellas and Rosa remaining on ECW for w.e reason

LL Sr. wrote:

who is "hot" other then Maryse that they have pushed for longer then 2 week. No one that i can remember, i dont know why ppl keep complaining that eye candies with less wrestling skill then girls like Nattie, Jillian and Katie are being pushed instead of those for mentioned girls.
in reality Nattie will be pushed within time, Jillian is just as bad as these eye candies now, and from what i keep hearing she cant be made a champ because she doesnt attend as many house shows, which i champ should do. with Katie being moved off ECW its quite obvious that they are planning to use her somewhere with a title, that or release, thats their own decision.
all the talented divas cant be pushed ALL the time.
as for Blues whacked out excuse of Maryse, Kelly and Layla should valet not wrestle, dont forget to add that Alicia to that list, as she is just as shitty as those three. I think they need the wrestlers on Raw with the womens title consisting of Gail, Nattie, Beth, Melina, Mickie, Michelle, Katie and the ones who are not as bad witht the divas title on SD Jillian, Alicia, Layla, Maryse, Eve and Kelly. with Bellas and Rosa remaining on ECW for w.e reason

I see where you are coming from especally with the 2nd bold statement.

They pushed Ashley, Candice, Maria-when she did PB, Kelly (yeah shes improving but I dont think thats the reason WWE has pushed her before) and now Maryse. I know not many of you think Candice or Ashley is hot but WWE did. They push more of these in experienced girls now then they used to.

LL Sr. wrote:

who is "hot" other then Maryse that they have pushed for longer then 2 week. No one that i can remember, i dont know why ppl keep complaining that eye candies with less wrestling skill then girls like Nattie, Jillian and Katie are being pushed instead of those for mentioned girls.
in reality Nattie will be pushed within time, Jillian is just as bad as these eye candies now, and from what i keep hearing she cant be made a champ because she doesnt attend as many house shows, which i champ should do. with Katie being moved off ECW its quite obvious that they are planning to use her somewhere with a title, that or release, thats their own decision.
all the talented divas cant be pushed ALL the time.
as for Blues whacked out excuse of Maryse, Kelly and Layla should valet not wrestle, dont forget to add that Alicia to that list, as she is just as shitty as those three. I think they need the wrestlers on Raw with the womens title consisting of Gail, Nattie, Beth, Melina, Mickie, Michelle, Katie and the ones who are not as bad witht the divas title on SD Jillian, Alicia, Layla, Maryse, Eve and Kelly. with Bellas and Rosa remaining on ECW for w.e reason

Maryse, Kelly and even Layla should be valets and improve on the side. I kept Alicia Fox away from that list because despite what her haters (You and DEAD!!!) think, Alicia Fox has taken to wrestling really well. Her matches with Gail Kim? Loved them, its amazing how a rookie at her level can keep up with Gail Kim. LOL@ her being just as shitty as them. Ok LL. Alicia is impressive and she will only get better, its all about opinions I guess.

Blue Campbell wrote:

LL Sr. wrote:

who is "hot" other then Maryse that they have pushed for longer then 2 week. No one that i can remember, i dont know why ppl keep complaining that eye candies with less wrestling skill then girls like Nattie, Jillian and Katie are being pushed instead of those for mentioned girls.
in reality Nattie will be pushed within time, Jillian is just as bad as these eye candies now, and from what i keep hearing she cant be made a champ because she doesnt attend as many house shows, which i champ should do. with Katie being moved off ECW its quite obvious that they are planning to use her somewhere with a title, that or release, thats their own decision.
all the talented divas cant be pushed ALL the time.
as for Blues whacked out excuse of Maryse, Kelly and Layla should valet not wrestle, dont forget to add that Alicia to that list, as she is just as shitty as those three. I think they need the wrestlers on Raw with the womens title consisting of Gail, Nattie, Beth, Melina, Mickie, Michelle, Katie and the ones who are not as bad witht the divas title on SD Jillian, Alicia, Layla, Maryse, Eve and Kelly. with Bellas and Rosa remaining on ECW for w.e reason

Maryse, Kelly and even Layla should be valets and improve on the side. I kept Alicia Fox away from that list because despite what her haters (You and DEAD!!!) think, Alicia Fox has taken to wrestling really well. Her matches with Gail Kim? Loved them, its amazing how a rookie at her level can keep up with Gail Kim. LOL@ her being just as shitty as them. Ok LL. Alicia is impressive and she will only get better, its all about opinions I guess.

oh get your head out your ass, your overobbsessive marking for a bug with a fro is ridick. Gail Kim is a fantastic carrier, hence why her match with Gail was ok. and also Alicia has had a lot more concentrated training then Kelly and Layla esp, and yet she just about grasps the basics like they do. Clearly ppl always dissing Layla has totally taken your eyes of whats shes been doing, she has shown just as much as Alicia, and can hold a match down just as well, and Kelly also can hold a match down....so shht those four belong in the same catagory as far as im concerned.

and to address janine they pushed Candice, Ashley and Maria cos of playboy and overness...as mentioned Maryse and Candice are the only two that were really pushed. Maria wasnt pushed, all she had was a WM match same with Ashley. and Kelly hasnt been pushed, WOW she got a pin over Beth Pheonix and had two title matches, that aint much of a push either

i like how Blue thinks divas arent allowed to have haters, lol

I guess nobody caught when I said the Divas ALWAYS sucked, just with slight modifications lol

*look to past post for more details*

whats that to do with anything haha, some suck more then others, or in deads case all suck the same, which is impossible, they arent the same person, so ability cant be the same >.<

my main point from this little overmark of Alicia to the "whats making her so special" person is that Alicia, Layla, Kelly and Maryse all have flaws and highlights the make them all in my book, in the same league.

Alicia can do a few things that make her stand out, make fugly faces that are supposed to gain heat, when in reality make her look a bit fug and stupid, botch an axe kick and slop a tilt the whirl.
And thinking of it saying Alicia took to wrestling, i think Layla certainly has taken more to wrestling as well, since being used as an active wrestler, she wont ever be great, as Kevin pointed out a while ago she doesnt have the proper body for a wrestler, but she tries and can pull off some impressive offense, she tries with her character and her faces arent fug nor do they make her look like an ass.

Layla >>>>>Alicia KNOW THAT

LL Sr. wrote:

oh get your head out your ass, your overobbsessive marking for a bug with a fro is ridick. Gail Kim is a fantastic carrier, hence why her match with Gail was ok. and also Alicia has had a lot more concentrated training then Kelly and Layla esp, and yet she just about grasps the basics like they do. Clearly ppl always dissing Layla has totally taken your eyes of whats shes been doing, she has shown just as much as Alicia, and can hold a match down just as well, and Kelly also can hold a match down....so shht those four belong in the same catagory as far as im concerned.

LMAO What was that first sentence? I dont speak jibberish buddy. Gail Kim is indeed a fantastic carrier, read what I said. Alicia KEEPS UP with her, if you can keep up with Gail's quickness, you obviously dont need to be carried when facing Gail. Alicia trained the same amount of time as Layla, Maryse, Kelly, so? She's better then all three of them COMBINED , she can wrestle circles around all three of them. Basics? Really not only is Alicia a great bumper, she can lift up most of the other divas (I doubt Layla and Kelly could) and she can take some serious offense. Like Mickie's DDT for instance? LMAO Is that what this is about? That I'm not marking for Layla at this moment? And people call me the mark, you are acting markish right now. Dont worry I still love Layla, I happen to love Alicia alot too so you'll have to deal But lets be real? Layla has improved, no doubt but showed more then Alicia? Yea right. WWE has yet to give her a chance so how the fuck has she "shown" just as much as Alicia?

LL Sr. wrote:

Alicia can do a few things that make her stand out, make fugly faces that are supposed to gain heat, when in reality make her look a bit fug and stupid, botch an axe kick and slop a tilt the whirl.
And thinking of it saying Alicia took to wrestling, i think Layla certainly has taken more to wrestling as well, since being used as an active wrestler, she wont ever be great, as Kevin pointed out a while ago she doesnt have the proper body for a wrestler, but she tries and can pull off some impressive offense, she tries with her character and her faces arent fug nor do they make her look like an ass.

Layla >>>>>Alicia KNOW THAT

No one is saying Layla doesnt try,

I think I have stated in the past that I dont give a mother flying fuck of who hates or likes Alicia, but when LL wants to get snarky when I GIVE MY FUCKING OPINION? Then I'll have a problem with it.

But its pointless arguing with haters, the headache is NOT, I repeat NOT worth it. So you, LL and Dead can continue drinking your hater juice. Blue will still have a opinion and no one will change it. So with that I leave this thread with

ALICIA>>>>>>>>LAYLA>>>>>>>>>>MARYSE>>>>>>>>>>KELLY!

KNOW THAT


Deuces

its pointless arguing with marks too, but yeah. btw its not hater juice...its haterade....

Yea yea that mark argument is beyond lame, thats your only defense, its weak also I know what its called, Blue being unique decided to brand his own juice, its called hater juice

Want some?

i like gatorade, thanks though

Justice League >>>>>>>>>>WWE Divas

Know it, dig it!

it is your opinion Blue...but its a stupid one.
firstly Layla and Kelly have been on the road since they signed their contracts, giving them a lot less time to train.
Layla has had the least amount of training out of all of these divas, because since 06 Maryse and ALicia have been in OVW, and then ALicia in FCW, and Kelly also made some appearances in OVW too..whereas Layla has been on the road since 06 and never training too much or even appearing in OVW.....and to say that and considering all Alicia is know for is as mentioned, botched finishers, and flopping on her legs, which just makes her look stupid when holding her back...yet Layla can still hold her own with likes of Mickie, Michelle and can put on decent carrying peformances with Kelly and Eve, shows how Layla and Alicia are in the same league. All Layla had a problem with is keepin up with Melina but as noted many many times Melina is a freak job who likes to go a million times an hour, and clearly looks as though she is trying to embarrass her opponents as they cant keep up, making her seem better.

call this marking all you want Blue, it sure looks like it, but im simply trying to defend those girls who you claim Alicia is a million times better then, when that is simply not true