The Women of Wrestling Debate Thread

That is exactly what's bad about them. They are freaking useless and they're not that good in the ring to begin with.

How do you know they are useless? Because they aren't badly rolling around to "prove" they can wrestle? Oh, I get it. It's jealousy cuz 1 out of 10 Americans is out of a job and those girls have one and they do absolutely "nothing".

LMAO. I love when the jealousy card is used. THEY ARE DOING NOTHING which means they are USELESS at the moment.

what i dont get is its ok for ppl to use the word useless in reference to divas
yet they never seem to use the word useless in reference with ppl like Evan Bourne, Dolph Ziggler, Finlay, Goldust, Zack Ryder, and all those others that are just there and not doing a great deal

The Bella Twins are not very good wrestlers, I mean they really shouldnt be on RAW, I'm sick of the guest hosts on RAW

TheGreatMintz wrote:

LMAO. I love when the jealousy card is used. THEY ARE DOING NOTHING which means they are USELESS at the moment.

I guess Beth and Alicia are as worthless because we haven't seen Alicia since the PPV and Beth made a 1'n' Done appearance for the first time in a month last week.

yeah im sick of the guest hosts too, but at least when they are there the bellas arent in the ring
and they arent very good wrestlers no, wwe standard they arent that bad either, but tbh ive not been able to see a lot of them in the ring to judge
watching countless 2-3 minute matches makes it hard to really judge how much a person has improved

I know RAW really needs to start going back to 6min tag matches, mabye we can get a Gail/Jillian match 7mins long then again that would just be silly

lol at the people thinking Jillian deserves more. They put her as comedy because she's lost whatever "good" she had in the ring. Plus, it's easier to laugh at her then bear seeing her wrestle.

[quote="sarcy"]lol at the people thinking Jillian deserves more. quote]


How is it funny that a talented wrestler is being not being used propley and made to a comedy act having to Eve and Hornswoggle in tag matches? She does derserve more, mabye Melina and Mickie can take a break from winning the title

i think her point is, to her at least shes not as talented as she once was, so putting her there, would be similar to putting other less talented divas, as the matches would just be as sloppy

sarcy wrote:

TheGreatMintz wrote:

LMAO. I love when the jealousy card is used. THEY ARE DOING NOTHING which means they are USELESS at the moment.

I guess Beth and Alicia are as worthless because we haven't seen Alicia since the PPV and Beth made a 1'n' Done appearance for the first time in a month last week.

Alicia's only been out for 2 or 3 weeks and she's injured and hopefully Beth is on tonight as well. Useless is shit that the Bellas are doing, just hanging all over the guest hosts, they could be released and no one would give a shit because no one cares about them and that's one of the reasons.

And yeah, I hardly mention the men, Goldust is definitely useless, sometimes I forget that he's still there

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sarcy wrote:

lol at the people thinking Jillian deserves more. quote]


How is it funny that a talented wrestler is being not being used propley and made to a comedy act having to Eve and Hornswoggle in tag matches? She does derserve more, mabye Melina and Mickie can take a break from winning the title

thats Sarcy, say hello! anyways, Jillians just sitting there doing nothing, her Divas title win was a outright joke because the "princess" just had to come back to Raw and win it

TheGreatMintz wrote:

sarcy wrote:

TheGreatMintz wrote:

LMAO. I love when the jealousy card is used. THEY ARE DOING NOTHING which means they are USELESS at the moment.

I guess Beth and Alicia are as worthless because we haven't seen Alicia since the PPV and Beth made a 1'n' Done appearance for the first time in a month last week.

Alicia's only been out for 2 or 3 weeks and she's injured and hopefully Beth is on tonight as well. Useless is shit that the Bellas are doing, just hanging all over the guest hosts, they could be released and no one would give a shit because no one cares about them and that's one of the reasons.

And yeah, I hardly mention the men, Goldust is definitely useless, sometimes I forget that he's still there

Given your defination, "DOING NOTHING" makes someone useless. The Bellas playing cheerleaders weekly by technical defination is doing a whole lot more then having people go "where is _____?"

i know i hated that.
i hate Melina now >.< im sorry, she was once number 3 on my top diva list, but she was shunned for Mae's b***** slap on Michelle

i never liked Melina, every time she does that high pitched scream i want to shoot my eardrums with a nail gun

I like that name, I'll start calling her princess now!

But yeah, they obviously chose her to change things up and surprise people since I'm sure no one saw that coming.

And yeah, I told her to shut up with that scream many times

LH wrote:

How is it funny that a talented wrestler is being not being used propley and made to a comedy act having to Eve and Hornswoggle in tag matches? She does derserve more, mabye Melina and Mickie can take a break from winning the title

She had a solid month of botches in October. She screwed up Melina's "big" return to Raw. And the next week. And the next week. And it's not like they had to wrestle for five minutes at a time. They mostly did a quick exchanges before fucking up the pin.

Where is the reason to use her instead of Melina again? Oh, cuz Jillian deserves more then getting some of the best exposure out of the Raw Divas. She is getting remembered for her comedy. Which is loads better then getting remembered because she fucked up in a match.

That's because shes probley sick of jobbing to Melina

Anyway Melina/Maryse just need to leave the title its time for Alicia and Jillian!!!

If she was sick of jobbing, she would be out of a job. Funny how irony works in the WWE.

I am just not getting the Alicia craze. Everything from her is so forced. It's like she's channeling Christy but trying to make her look like a "bad girl". That and her body is just weird to watch wrestle.

Alicia has really improved this year, shes better than The Bella Twins, Maria,Kelly,Rosa, so I think she deserves a push.

everyones better than the Bellas.

Ehh... Just not getting it. It might also be that I think she looks like an alien.

Speaking of Alicia, for sake of conversation, what exactly is her moveset? I am not talking about her OVW or FCW work, but her matches on ECW, SD, Raw and PPV. I'll I have seen her do is a tilt-a-whirl back breaker that only looks good when Gail is taking it and that horrible axe kick.

TheGreatMintz wrote:

That is exactly what's bad about them. They are freaking useless and they're not that good in the ring to begin with.

please learn what useless means! not being used does not equal useless hunny! its not that complex of a word, type it into google!

the bellas are doing great as assistant guest hosts! it shows how much wwe loves them! the show is centered around the guest hosts!

Chuck Norris wrote:

everyones better than the Bellas.

Even Maria, Kelly and Rosa??

i agree i dont get the big hub ub with Alicia, i really really dont
that chick is one of the ugliest "models" they've hired

Vee//Venom wrote:

That could be the next topic; Is the WWE more interested in women for their bodies and good looks or actual skills in the ring?

This is WWE, its all about looks Hell they dont let the girls have hardcore matches in fear of them messing up their pretty little faces. It's pretty sad to see what WWE has become and I feel bad for girls that have to be pushed to the sidelines for someone like Maryse Lets face it! She ould not be getting this push if she wasn't hot. So to answer your question? Yes WWE is way more interested in looks.

LH wrote:

Do you think Melina should turn heel and Maryse turn face? I mean in a few months not yet.

Absolutely! Melina plays a better heel anyways and Maryse I think can be a popular face. But not at this time, The next time these chicks feud. They need to have different roles

Melina is good as a face when they actually give her personality, her little feud with Beth last year and her feud with Michelle are examples. She's so much better as the angry hellcat. She just isn't taken seriously as one of those happy babyfaces, leave that to girls like Mickie and Kelly

No denying that, she's a fabulous heel.

I don't think Melina is a good face at all. All that smilin' and wavin' always comes off as fake as Maryse's tits, but not nearly as pleasant too look at. Thus, she doesn't come off as likeable.

She's a better heel because, I dunno, she strikes me as someone who is a real b***** when the cameras are off.

I like Melina as a face, however as a heel she is better, I hope she turns heel halfway thorough 2010, and Maryse turns face

both Maryse and Melina seem like b****** in life, and some reports have certainly hinted at this

sarcy wrote:

I don't think Melina is a good face at all. All that smilin' and wavin' always comes off as fake as Maryse's tits, but not nearly as pleasant too look at. Thus, she doesn't come off as likeable.

She's a better heel because, I dunno, she strikes me as someone who is a real b***** when the cameras are off.

Yeah, most people were used to seeing her as a heel that when she turned face and got all happy and shit people were like "wtf" She is pretty likeable though, at first she wasn't but it took time for the crowd to get into her.

And I've actually heard that Melina is one of the sweetest people you'd ever meet, though I know there were rumors of her being a b***** in the past. I had talked to Lena Yada on myspace when she was in the diva search and she said Melina was acting like she was better than everyone and that people had to say hello to her or she wouldn't even bother but I dunno, she must've changed because like I said, only hear good things about her now but I'd have to meet her and judge for myself

wow that was a less markish response then i was expecting go you LOL

LOL I'm seriously not as bad as people think, I'll call her out if she's sloppy or if she botches and she also has her days when she's a bit ugly

i am the same with Layla....except its hard to find a day where she aint stunning

That is the truth, Layla is actually like Maryse in a way, can't really find one bad picture of either of them, so sexy all the time

eh tbh some of those pics Dead posted of Maryse looked terrible, the airbrushin didnt do well.
i have said that some of those pics of Layla in her new diva focus she does look a bit iffy..so i aint that bad either >.<

She's smokin in your sig

yeah i did choose the better pictures, shows her attitude, hence why she is a smoking face
i didnt use the horse like grin one, cos she looks well iffy in that one

TheGreatMintz wrote:

Yeah, most people were used to seeing her as a heel that when she turned face and got all happy and shit people were like "wtf" She is pretty likeable though, at first she wasn't but it took time for the crowd to get into her.

And I've actually heard that Melina is one of the sweetest people you'd ever meet, though I know there were rumors of her being a b***** in the past. I had talked to Lena Yada on myspace when she was in the diva search and she said Melina was acting like she was better than everyone and that people had to say hello to her or she wouldn't even bother but I dunno, she must've changed because like I said, only hear good things about her now but I'd have to meet her and judge for myself

Thanks for the response, but I still think she still comes off like a total b*****. Tyra Banks always tell the ANTM chicks that your eyes should show emotion. Well, I get vibes from smiles. I've always been able to differeniate genuine smiles and fake smiles. Melina mos def has a fake ass smile. lol


Speaking of heel/face, anyone think Maria can pull off being a bad girl? When she stopped being an idiot last year (lol at how I put that), she wasn't likeable no mores. =(

Oh, and Maria's regular talking voice drives me fucking while. Like damn, the things she could do to me.. haha. ha.

I would like a Maria heel turn however she dosent need to turn heel yet, as she needs to help Mickie out and SD! have enough heels, please dont move her to Raw either I think she needs to stay on SD!

Do you think a gimmick where a certain diva hates all the divas that were in Playboy and are models and called them out and defeated them in matches, would work?

I think Melina would be great to play this, I want her to turn heel first, and I would think this would be the perfect gimmick for her, while Gail fueds with Maryse for the title, Melina could do this without being used. For example

2 Weeks after Melina lost her title to Maryse she returns in a 6 diva tag match Melina and The Bellas vs Maryse, Jillian and Alicia. Maryse,Alicia and Jillian win when Jillian rolls Brie up for the pin, after the match Melina loses her temper and attacks The Bellas. She gets on the mic and says that she is sick of losing to Playboy models.

Week 1: Melina comes out with a Playboy sign, she says women who pose in Playboy are sluts, she says that they dont deserve to wrestle Melina. She says she attacked the Bellas because they suck and are only here to look pretty.Eve comes out and says that not fair. Melina challenges her to a match

Melina wins with the last call after 5mins.

Week 2: Melina is Interviewed by Josh Matthews, she says she is facing Nikki Bella tonight. Melina defeates Nikki with the last call after 2mins.

Melina then defeats a few more divas, and during this time Maryse feels sorry for The Bella Twins and turns face

Heels:
Melina
Jillian
Alicia

Faces
The Bellas
Kelly
Eve
Maryse
Gail Kim

Do you think this gimmick would be good for Melina?

It kinda already happened before, at least the whole playboy thing did. Melina couldn't stand Maria, Ashley, or Candice, sadly she only beat two out of the three. But yeah, it would probably work for her

LH wrote:

Do you think a gimmick where a certain diva hates all the divas that were in Playboy and are models and called them out and defeated them in matches, would work?

It depends. For starters, the Diva would have to be creditable enough in look and in booking. None of the girls right now have either. As much of a man as Nattie or Beth is, they have both lost to "models". Hell, 75% of the Divas came in from the DS. Even that nepotisic Michelle. Melina ain't a much better choice because she started off with some ugly wrestling. That and her matches usually have an ugly botch. If the WWE would bring in someone like Kong, which the has the most "anti-Diva" look, because you believe Kong kills b****** dead.

So, no. I don't think the WWE would go full blown with it.

Plus, you mention Melina. Look at Minterz sig area. Do you believe someone who shakes her ass and does the splits in her enterance can destroy her competition?

Melina has already beat girls like Maria and Ashley and that was when she wasn't as good at carrying as she is now. She's improved so much, she carried Maryse to a decent match on Raw and she's had decent matches with Layla so if put in that position I think she could pull it off, especially with her heel character

I really don't think Maryse or Layla needs to be carried. I think they are more then capable of holding their own in the ring. Both just got the short in of the stick and had to wrestle against Mickie.

Maryse was BEFORE her injury, now she's gone downhill and Layla is getting there but she still needs some help