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+7The LL Father CWL91 KTV-Time Dead Queen Mintz janine Quisee 11 posters | Author | Message |
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Quisee ..
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| Subject: Are the divas the ones to blame? Mon 12 Apr 2010, 1:12 pm | |
| I know I probably shouldn't put a thread like this because I expect a flame war/arguements so I will apologize before hand please don't be mad at me.
But I personally think wrestling fans tend to be to hard on the divas when WWE is more so an entertainment company more than a wrestling company so the main focus isn't really wrestling imo, Vince Mcmachon and the rest of WWE doesn't care about the divas or women wrestling so the women never really get too much of a chance to show what they can do whether they fail at it or not, WWE doesn't care about good or bad women's wrestling period they could care less, they barely care to book them correctly or not at all. WWE has talented women Beth, Natalya, Gail, Michelle, Mickie, Serena, Jillian, Katie Lea, Melina and they barely use them correctly or not at all and some women who are training/improving over the years like Eve, Savannah, Tiffany, Alicia Fox, Layla, Kelly Kelly, Maryse FCW Diva AJ Lee and etc.. could possiblity grow into good wrestlers later on maybe, maybe not but WWE doesn't give them a chance and if they do it and it fails people mainly blame the women when the booking is horrible, feud/storylines aren't played out correctly, characters aren't built up, no mic time etc.. and WWE just doesn't care in general yea I will admit sometimes it is the Divas fault themselves but I think WWE and Vince McMachon are the main reasons why the Divas division is bad
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| | | janine Melina's Barracudas
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Mon 12 Apr 2010, 3:07 pm | |
| Well for starters they need to push the ones who can work. Like Nattie, Serena, Katie, Jillian, Alicia ect but they dont. They also push the same girls, Maryse/Michelle especially but that also includes Melina-Yes I said her, Mickie and Beth.
They need to give others a chance to get over, who knows maybe they will if WWE gives them that backing and lets them try.
I dont think its the divas fault its the company's fault for pushing the wrong people. | |
| | | Queen Mintz Melina's Barracudas
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Mon 12 Apr 2010, 3:09 pm | |
| Who has really blamed the divas for the booking being bad? I haven't seen anyone blame them because it's never their fault. They are told what to do, they are told to go out there and rush which causes botches. Most of us know what the women are capable of since some of them have had great matches before. Mickie/Melina, Melina/Michelle, Beth/Mickie, Beth/Melina, etc. If they had more time they could definitely pull off those matches again but it's not their fault. | |
| | | Dead The Sports Guy
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Mon 12 Apr 2010, 3:31 pm | |
| The fans aren't hard on shit, don't blame the fans cause the women can't wrestle | |
| | | KTV-Time WD Stalker
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Mon 12 Apr 2010, 3:57 pm | |
| Sorry the fans aren't hard on the divas because their standarts have lowered drastic, what was once Meh= now good, what was once watchable = now Great, what was once good= now AMAZING. The fans aren't being hard, they just lowered their standart drastically.
Secondly, they aren't being hard on the divas they just are just accepting the divas the way WWE wants the fans too, Natalya vs. Beth would still consider being a bathroom break, while Lacey von Erich vs. Velvet Sky will be something worth watching, despite the fact that the TNA mmatch is 10X worse, and TNA basicly killing the credibility of the knockouts, TNA portray their women as athletes, that'a who the fans view them, regardless of talent or quality, the WWE Divas are potrtayd as meat and that's all they are going to be regardless of talent or meat.
WWE will have to take 6/7 years to build back a division seriously and looking at how things are, it's not going to happen either. | |
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Mon 12 Apr 2010, 4:09 pm | |
| - CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:
- The fans aren't hard on shit, don't blame the fans cause the women can't wrestle
Arguably, they give zero reaction to Gail Kim, and she is supposed to be in the higher tier of girls there. Fans don't care because for years they were never given a reason to care, WWE doesn't push it as serious wrestling, so why should we take it serious? There are plenty of women there that I like, but honestly, you are looking for the wrong place to watch womens wrestling. | |
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Mon 12 Apr 2010, 4:11 pm | |
| - CWL91 wrote:
- but honestly, you are looking for the wrong place to watch womens wrestling.
Perfectly said | |
| | | The LL Father THEE LaylaLover
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Tue 13 Apr 2010, 1:40 am | |
| thats its....again its not about whether a diva can pull out a shit load of submissions the fans would care if the divas where paradin around in bikinis as long as they where booked better | |
| | | janine Melina's Barracudas
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Tue 13 Apr 2010, 3:34 pm | |
| I just thought about this, in a way its the fans fault, dont shoot me hear me out.. I feel the fans are at fault too becasue they cheer for people like Maria, Maryse, and all of them, becasue of their looks and the ones who can actually work get no love. WWE sees this and in turn the wrong girls are getting pushed. Maybe WWE feels meh the fans dont care about wrestling, why should we? | |
| | | Blue Ryder Bossman
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Tue 13 Apr 2010, 3:42 pm | |
| That's a great point Janine, fans do cheer for the tramps instead of the talent but then again the majority are guys so that's to be expected. | |
| | | KTV-Time WD Stalker
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Tue 13 Apr 2010, 3:45 pm | |
| It's not that, the line between talent and looks has been tampered with and it isn't going to be fix, not for now anyways.
There was eye candy and wrestlers that was always used seperately and booked diffrently, that line was either crossed or erased and no one cares anymore. | |
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Tue 13 Apr 2010, 3:47 pm | |
| - KiwiKevin: Too Hot for WD wrote:
- It's not that, the line between talent and looks has been tampered with and it isn't going to be fix, not for now anyways.
There was eye candy and wrestlers that was always used seperately and booked diffrently, that line was either crossed or erased and no one cares anymore. Thats true. Thats why I liked the divison a lot better between 2000 and 2004 the good workers like Lita, Trish, Ivory, Jazz, Victoria, Molly always faught for the gold and the lesser divas like Stacy, Torrie, Dawn, Terri did the eye candy matches and were kept from the gold, though Stacy did have that mini push but good on her for turning the title down. | |
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Tue 13 Apr 2010, 3:53 pm | |
| Eye candy in the division is fun, it was funny to see Stacy get bullied by Trish, it was nice to see the underdog Stacy in 6 divas Tag Matches, it was nice, but she was never a serious contender and never booked to be one.
It's fun, when it's temperary, not permanant, which is now. | |
| | | Paul Wyatt NCD aka Name Changing Dude
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Tue 13 Apr 2010, 4:24 pm | |
| WWE is to blame for hiring chicks that can't wrestle
Those same chicks are also to blame for not working enough on their craft. | |
| | | King Silva King of Kings
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Tue 13 Apr 2010, 4:48 pm | |
| The writers are the ones to blame because they choose what happens. | |
| | | LiE World Champion
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| Subject: Re: Are the divas the ones to blame? Tue 13 Apr 2010, 5:27 pm | |
| No way, it's bad enough some little boys charish divas like, Kelly Kelly... "I want to be a whore just like her when I is grown up".....
I couldn't give a shit less what the fans think, but, myself personally, I do not think it's wwe's fault, at one point, they may have had a few decent female wrestlers they could work with, & make a good storyline out of. They're boring now because simply, the women are boring. They're to busy pushing the shitty bitches, up (name above), like they do Cena, over the one's who MAY have some wrestling skill to a certain extent. Which is WHY they can't get shit out of them, hense, they are so boring. Personallity may have something to do with it too, nobody is original, the shit is overdone.
Yes, overtime, those idiots have become nothing but a peice of meat, all this crap like "smart, sexy, powerful", please, STOP with that, because we all know it's not true, it's something for them to try & read, which makes them feel better about themselves. For god's sake, they take more pictures then they do matches.
WWE is just a pile of shit now. I couldn't bare to watch it without burning the entire show up with what's stupid, funny, or horrible. At leat kids in diapers get a new t.v show after ICarly. | |
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