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| Independent Wrestler Claims TNA Stole His Gimmick | |
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Dead The Sports Guy
Number of posts : 31046 Age : 39 Location : Maryland Registration date : 2008-08-19
| Subject: Independent Wrestler Claims TNA Stole His Gimmick Mon 04 Jul 2011, 3:59 am | |
| As we pointed out yesterday, Independent wrestler, along with the help of former TNA booker Scott D'Amore began sending links to D'Amore's facebook page to internet wrestling sites. Now, Conrad Kennedy himself has issued a formal response in the form of a letter to TNA President Dixie Carter. A copy of the letter was supplied to wrestlingnewsworld. You can read the full letter below:
Dear Mrs. Carter
My name is Justin T. Carnes, I was trained by Scott D'Amore along with Alex Shelley, Petey Williams, and Chris Sabin. I have been working for almost 11 years, nine of those as Conrad Kennedy III (CK3), and for the last two years I have been working as "Krimson," in the states and in the UK, a character based off the Joker. I have been sending promos to TNA since I started doing the character, and last September, when I was on the road with Rhino, who is one of my best friends, D-Lo Brown approached me at the show in Windsor and told me he wanted to bring me in for a try-out as "Krimson, the Joker character." I went again on Rhino's last loop with the company, and was told by D-Lo to keep sending promos, the more I send, the more he could pass on to creative, and the better my chances of getting a job. So I did.
In January, I learned from one of my promoter's in the UK that TNA had taken my name, "Crimson." I was obviously upset by this. [color:f435=blue ! important][color:f435=blue ! important]Tommy [color:f435=blue ! important]Dreamer, another friend, called me and told me that although it's upsetting, think of a different name, at least it's not your character. So I did just that. I continued to send promos under a different name, "Villain." A few weeks ago I even received an email from D-Lo praising them and told me he has sent all my stuff to creative, and will let me know. Now, I see Sting doing a character eerily similar to the promos I have sent.
I realize TNA has promised me nothing, but I feel though, that the appearance of the new "Joker-Sting" character, years after the film debuted, and after a year of me sending promos, is more than mere coincidence. Now I am faced with the problem of trying to find bookings throughout the states, Canada and Europe, and potential promoters, taking a look at my work and saying, "You have TNA's 'Crimson's' name and Sting's Character. No thanks."
I'm quite certain that you were unaware of this happening, and truthfully, I don't know if anything can be done. I feel though, that the manner in which I was handled on TNA's part was nothing less than unprofessional and appalling. I would have much preferred a "creative has nothing for you" than encouragement to keep sending in my work, just to see them steal my name and gimmick, and to watch Sting doing essentially the same character on TV. Furthermore, instead of injecting a fresh and undiscovered face into your product who writes his own promos, and is more than willing to go on the road full time with an established company, your writers see fit instead to giving the character to an already established star such as Sting, who is in the twilight of his career and does not even work house shows?
In conclusion, I thank you for your time in reading this. I have included all the promos I have sent D-Lo both as Krimson and as Villain. I invite you to watch them and I feel you will see why I am upset by this situation. I have always wanted an opportunity to be a part of the TNA family, as I feel I have a lot to offer the company. I'm sure your creative team would agree. At the behest of my Attorney, I will also be sending you a certified letter with a disc of the promos and a copy of the emails from D-Lo as well."
Sincerely
Justin T. Carnes | |
| | | King Silva King of Kings
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| | | | Paul Wyatt NCD aka Name Changing Dude
Number of posts : 18569 Age : 37 Location : Inside of my own mind Job/hobbies : Self-Improving Favorite WWE Wrestler : Antonio Cesaro
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| Subject: Re: Independent Wrestler Claims TNA Stole His Gimmick Mon 04 Jul 2011, 8:51 am | |
| TNA stole a gimmick? What else is new?! | |
| | | Shimmer Mark World Champion
Number of posts : 2263 Age : 38 Location : Arkansas Job/hobbies : Banking Favorite WWE Wrestler : Antonio Cesaro, Justin Gabriel, Evan Bourne Favorite WWE Diva : AJ, Natalya, Paige Favorite TNA Wrestler : AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels Favorite TNA Knockout : Gail Kim Registration date : 2008-09-13
| Subject: Re: Independent Wrestler Claims TNA Stole His Gimmick Mon 04 Jul 2011, 10:40 am | |
| Yikes.....I don't think anything will ever come of this, but still......Yikes. | |
| | | perceval World Champion
Number of posts : 1445 Registration date : 2011-06-10
| Subject: Re: Independent Wrestler Claims TNA Stole His Gimmick Mon 04 Jul 2011, 5:24 pm | |
| OK, just so I understand this correctly...
This is a guy who's been in the business for 11 years, and 2 years ago created this totally new, completely original gimmick "based on the Joker." I presume this is the Heath Ledger version.
First off, how "original" is that?
Then, he accuses Sting of "stealing" it.
Well, let's take a look...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my9QDwj8Qgs
This has been Sting's gimmick for 14 years. That's 3 years longer than this guy has been wrestling, and 12 years longer than he's been doing the gimmick.
Sting got it from The Crow, which also was an obvious major influence on Heath Ledger's Joker. How big an influence? Well, take a look...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTbmdXNEm14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HPag2uOIc4
So, no, Sting didn't originate that gimmick, but this guy got it third hand.
All I can figure is he thinks there aren't many people who know about a 17 year old movie and a 14 year old wrestling stroyline.
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| | | WarGreymon77 Midcarder
Number of posts : 466 Age : 35 Location : South Hill, VA Favorite WWE Wrestler : The Undertaker, Triple H, R-Truth, Booker T, Teddy Long, CM Punk Favorite WWE Diva : 'Kharma', Kelly Kelly, Maryse Favorite TNA Wrestler : Sting, Brother Devon, A.J. Styles, Beer Money Inc, "The Pope" D'Angelo Dinero Favorite TNA Knockout : Velvet Sky, Mickie James, Angelina Love, So Cal Val, Daffney... Registration date : 2011-02-02
| Subject: Re: Independent Wrestler Claims TNA Stole His Gimmick Wed 06 Jul 2011, 5:33 pm | |
| ^ Sting hasn't been acting like this since 1996/1997, and certainly not before then. This "Joker" thing was recent.
For the record, I love to watch TNA, but I disapprove of many of their business practices, especially the disproportionate pay. | |
| | | perceval World Champion
Number of posts : 1445 Registration date : 2011-06-10
| Subject: Re: Independent Wrestler Claims TNA Stole His Gimmick Wed 06 Jul 2011, 10:26 pm | |
| Again, Sting's gimmick is from The Crow, he did it 14 years ago, and it's the persona he's most famous for. Also from the 1990s was Vampiro... Yeah, totally original gimmick this guy's been doing for the last two years. Right... His great "originality" is to do a straight up Heath Ledger impersonation. Not even using Ledger as inspiration for something he makes his own, but just an impersonation. While I'll trash TNA for it's business practices as much as anybody, I'm not going to automatically take the side of anyone who tries to make a name for themselves at their expense. But, if this doesn't work out for him, he can do a white rapper gimmick and accuse Cena of stealing it. That'd probably even get him more attention. | |
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