WWE DIVAS CONTINUE WITH ONLINE RANTING

WWE’s website has posted a follow-up article to the Divas drama that has been going on Twitter the past few days. Here are quotes from the Divas:

Eve Torres: “The truth is people who have not been in our position and are not here living the life we do have no idea what we go through as Divas. They lump certain Divas together as ‘model Divas.’ The truth is, I was never a model. I have an engineering degree. I can be somewhere else, but I chose to be here and I chose to fight for the Divas division every week. I’m still a woman and I still like to have fun. And who doesn’t want to see Kelly Kelly’s butt in someone’s face? It’s great.”

Brie Bella: “People can’t stand the fact that, yes, we were models, but now we can kick anyone’s butt in the ring. That’s pretty much what it comes down to. We’ve actually worked harder than them, because we didn’t come from a wrestling background. When we came into this business, everyone was against us. And look where we’re at now. We succeeded. In your face.”

Nikki Bella: “I think what first set us off was saying that the world cringed when Brie won the [Divas Championship]. Actually, no they didn’t — at all. We weren’t raised in a wrestling family and we didn’t come out of our mom’s womb lifting weights.”

-- Chris Jericho wrote the following on Twitter last night regarding the WWE Divas drama that has been going on the past few days: “This Diva bashing is lame. ALL the girls, of all shapes and sizes, work HARD everynight to deliver their best…just like the guys.”

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Thank you to Y2J for being understanding. People can say what they want about Kelly, Rosa etc on how much they suck....but they work hard. So bleh.

Also Eve (before looking completely dumb with that butt remark). ALL these "Models" have other options, they can do MANY MANY MANY other jobs that pay well and don't have the risk of getting injured that could maybe put you in a wheelchair for the rest of your life. They HAVE options but they chose this.


Nice job Eve

Personally, my gripe isn't about how hard they're working or not. WWE brings in many girls with no wrestling backgrounds. They suck in the ring ans are essentially pointless. It is what it is, but I'll never understand it. So, really, my gripe isn't with the employees themselves because they're inept; but more so with the employer for the focus of the division. Even a blind man can see that WWE's point of emphasis in recent years with the women hasn't been wrestling. Not one iota. The writing is on the wall: even in what is supposed to be a pg era, tons of cat fights. Chicks with no wrestling background, but rather a backgrounds in dancing, cheer leading , gymnastics, and the like. Skimpy ring gear. Tits and ass everywhere!

Again, I've never been one to claim they don't work hard, but there are other women that would have a bigger impact than the Kelly's, Layla's, Bellas & Alicia's of the world.

To all the Women Wrestlers who was sign or is sign with the WWE always bitchin about WWE here is a Message to you.ITS THE FUCKIN WWE not Shimmer,ROH,TNA its WWE you should know what your getting yourself Into when you join this company.You should know you would be push over women who have Less experience then YOU.You might be a Jobber and might actual have a good career.You sign that contract to degrade yourself and let other women(models) go thru you.And to fight for that ugly belt.Stop blaming the Models because there not the reason your not getting enough TV time.The Models are actually helping getting TV time because of there looks.If you dont like it then leave because nothing is gonna change.

^^ DAMN i gotta agree

hence why i jumped off the Gail Kim pitty party....everyone bitched about her jobbing. She signed the contract and KNEW exactly what she was getting herself into.

Actually, no. I'm not going to cut the Bellas any slack, at all. Why? Well, after the article that so offended them said it wasn't fair to compare them with past women's wreslters, Nikki wrote this...

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Lastly, @RealKellyKelly & Us are better than anyone in the past so Katie Raymond check your self and come read this article to my face! NB

I'll cut Kelly some slack because she didn't make such claims, but, according to Nikki, they and Kelly are better than Mildred Burke, Mae Young, June Byers, Moolah, Judy Grable, Wendi Richter, Sherri, Luna Vachon, Madusa, Bull Nakano, Jacqueline Moore, Ivory, Lita, Trish Stratus, Molly Holly, Jazz, Victoria, Gail Kim, Mickie James, and Melina ever were. And, the Bella Twins are a better tag team than those Jumping Bomb Whoever They Were.

It is therefore completely fair to compare them directly to all those women Nikki declared her, Brie, and Kelly to be superior to. It's completely fair to compare their respective crowd reactions. It's completely fair to compare Brie vs Kelly to any and every women's match that the company has put on before it. It's completely fair to compare Bella Twins vs Kelly/Eve to Trish/Lita vs Molly/Victoria, not to mention any matches the Jumping Something or Other... those Japanese girls were ever in.

When Nikki is the Main Event and having entire arenas giving her standing ovations after her matches, she can talk trash about Moolah, Wendi, Lita, and Trish. Oh, and Nikki? How many magazine covers have you had, this year?

But, if trashing past women wasn't enough, here's what she had to say about AJ, Maxine, and Naomi (as they were the up and comers specified in the article)...

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Oh and good luck with the up and coming Divas…. Sure you’ll make a lot of money with them…. Um actually NOT!

To Lucky 7 I gave up on Gail Kim when she left TNA for WWE.Why would you leave a company that gave you everything you wanted who made you there top girl.Then she had to be a stupid greedy bitch and go to WWE.Shes a Joke what makes you think WWE is gonna use you when they didnt use you the first time?.Then she wants to join some "let the divas show what they can do" group on twitter?.Gtfo of here with that you were in a company that showed your talents and YOU BLEW IT.

And Nikki is fuckin stupid thats why her sister became Divas Champion and she was just a Jobber.

LMAO What a fucking joke.

She comes off like a 12 yr old girl. Come read this article to my face? WTF is that?

@DL: I never really understood why she came back either. Sure, the pay is better; but don't sign the deal if you know you're not going to be much of a factor. I initially thought, "hey, it'll be kinda cool seeing her back there, but I don't expect her to win multiple championships, or even be in a ton of title matches."

And in the end....she won none

How many title matches was she even in during this last run?

The one vs Michelle and the one vs. Mickie and the one vs Maryse, is all i remember since her EPIC return

LMAO Very epic.

Because NCD she dosent care about wrestling If she did she would of never left TNA.Gail would do anything and I mean ANYTHING if the price was right.I wouldnt be surprise if the stupid bitch does playboy.Glad her and Melina are gone 2 cocky bitches and Beth can go with them.

Well, she has already posed topless, so if she did decide to go that route, it wouldn't be surprising.

DrizzyDrakeFan wrote:

Because NCD she dosent care about wrestling If she did she would of never left TNA.Gail would do anything and I mean ANYTHING if the price was right.I wouldnt be surprise if the stupid bitch does playboy.Glad her and Melina are gone 2 cocky bitches and Beth can go with them.

Keep in mind that TNA isn't the perfect Land of Milk and Honey for wrestlers that Dixie Carter's PR Department claims it is.

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Great company to work for, especially if you're a Knockout (heavy sarcasm).

Eve needs to be quiet because she was still a model. She came from the diva search, if she really wanted to be a wrestler she could've worked her butt off to become one instead of joining that diva search

And The Bellas need to simmer as well, just because they didn't come from a wrestling background doesn't mean they've worked harder than Beth, Natalya, and the other talent. Those talented women work their asses off to put on great matches everytime they're in that ring, The Bellas are decent at best

Queen Mintz wrote:

Eve needs to be quiet because she was still a model. She came from the diva search, if she really wanted to be a wrestler she could've worked her butt off to become one instead of joining that diva search

Velvet Sky tried out for the Diva search, as well as many other of the "prettier" indy girls. Would it have been diffrent if they won?

Or will they be labeled "Models" because they won the diva search?

Also Eve was a dancer, not a Model, Modeling was part time, she made a career out of dancing. Michele was a teacher..not a model, but she was a Diva Search girl as well. Was never a model, but a teacher.

Kaitlyn, Aksana were body builders, women who modeled for Fitness magazines because of their muscular build. But will be labeled "Models" because that is what their peers are.

For most of them modeling was a part time gig. For Aksana and Kaitlyn's case was to pay for their body building competitions. You need to finance your career somehow and most people model if they have the look.

If Michelle wanted to be the good wrestler she ended up being, she should have started out wrestling, so she has no say, she would have to shut up too, she was a diva search girl...thus labeled "a model"

oh and Perceval, TNA is probably the worse place for women because of the pay. But which women are currently complaining about their position in the company depsite earning 5X more what a regular knockout gets paid.

And who's out there, going out there, doing what they love, getting the respect they deserve from their peers and the fans for the shittiest pay ever?

I didn't see madison complaining, despite being knockouts champion, getting paid $250 per appearancce.

I think people call many of the Divas models because, regardless of what their previous line of work may have been, they have model looks. Though, WWE has it's tag line "Smart, Beautiful, Sexy" they're still - in large part - promoted by WWE more for their looks than their actual intellect... with Michelle McCool being a rare exception because she was an actual teacher.

EDIT: Hell, we're in a society where intellect is cool and all, but looks is what catches peoples' attention.

I still say that the 'model' divas suck and nothing will change my opinion on that matter, they keep hiring these girls trying to find the next Stratus and it's been nothing but fail; botched matches and fails!

So, get rid of Kelly Kell-

*Ducks flying shoe*

Okay, who threw that?

LMAO

Yes and Eve finished the univercity of Southern California with a degree for enginering.

What about aksana? Who since the age of 17 has been lifting weights and building her body to be a professional Body Builder?

What about Kaitlyn, who's been building her body, since she was 19? Who was actually going to go over to the ugly kind of body building (you know when you get all muscly and weird) before WWE approached her with an opportunity.

So next time a discussion about wrestling comes up, Victoria/Tara needs to shut up, she was a fitness model, So should Trish Stratus, she was a fitness model. Oh Chyna has no say either, she was merely another model. But they never went to the indy's. Hell unlike Eve, Maryse and all the other Diva search girls who CHOSE....who again CHOSE to join the divas search. Trish, Victoria and Chyna were all approached....based on their looks funny enough.

While the Diva Search girls, get heat because they CHOSE to join the diva search. knowing there is a 90% chance they will HAVE to wrestle or even step over as a full time wrestler. Knowing the life threating risks, knowing what could happen when one thing goes wrong.

While Trish, Victoria and Chyna got approached based on their looks, and had no desires to be wrestlers prior to being approach get slack?

It's a double standart and how many wrestlers auditioned for the Diva Search auditioned for TE to get into the WWE. And IF they won, then what? SHould they shut up too because they got into the DS based on their looks?

Gail Kim? You shush, don't say shit about wrestling, you also started out as a model.

How many indy girls have started out as models to pay their bills.

But hey, it's a world of double standarts.

and yes the divas will always be labeled as "Models" but you'd think the members here would know better before saying a diva needs to shut up because she got in through the Diva search knowing any indy girl would pay good money to get in that same way as well.

No good has come from Tough Enough...except John Morrison, but my opinion may be biased since I think he's hot and continue to curse the fact that Melina got to that hot piece of man before I did.

Queen Mintz wrote:

Eve needs to be quiet because she was still a model. She came from the diva search, if she really wanted to be a wrestler she could've worked her butt off to become one instead of joining that diva search

Oh fuck off seriously. Why don't you go tell all those American Idol and X Factor people to work their asses of with music and get in the proper way, not to go through a 'competition.'



Also, your blindly stereotyping models into one category. Fitness Models are different to general models. Eve had a background in fitness, more particularily jujitsu and [professional dancing. As much as I hate to say it, Bellas even had a background in soccer or something for like 12 years. This is the reason Eve and Bellas can pull off passable matches over the likes of Kelly, Maria, etc.



DL your a narrow minded fool if you think someone has no passion for something because they chose money. I enjoy working in the hospitality industry, but if I have to endure a boring job I don't always enjoy for the big bucks, I'm gonna take it. And anyway, Gail didn't leave good wrestling for better money. She left TNA, a place she felt she was entitled to more money for her efforts, which is a fair acquisation. Real world people...When we want a pay rise and we don't get one, we look elsewhere.

Actually she did leave for the money. She said so herself.

All of these DS girls have had some form of fitness thing going on. how the fuck do you think their bodies look so good.
Eve has Jujistu stuff (other divas have also been reported to have taken it up)
as X said the Bellas did Soccer....and regardless of Kelly not being great she did do gymnastics, which does take a lot of hard work, effort and commitment. Layla did dance as i think Brooke/Tesmacher blah blah did.

But i have to applaud Kevins post earlier. Nail on the head. But tbh we have known for ages that esp womens wrestling its FULL of double standards.

I mean people complain about how some divas didn't earn their spot cos they auditioned, they KNEW what thing they were tryin to get into!

And it's not like Nattie fully earned her way into wrestling. She is only in it cos her family are one of the most famous in the history of the buisness. She no doubt got trained up for nothing whereas other girls wouldn't be able to afford to.

All these purist nag on the DS but we all know secretly they have a soft spot for at least one. And also everyone has to start somewhere...if these 'air head bimbos' as Beth calls them, are CLEVER ENOUGH to enter a contest that could guarantee them a very lucrative career then they really must be stupid.

also Miz is awesome just saying >.>

Thats what I just said -_-



She left for more money because she wasnt being paid enough where she enjoyed working.

The LL Father wrote:

also Miz is awesome just saying >.>

No he is not and for even saying that, you're grounded and I'm taking away your Layla El action figure. Now, go in the corner and think about what you said and how it upset me.

Again, the difference between fitness models and swimsuit/lingerie models is huge. Literally. The muscle girls are built to do this sort of thing. It's not just that they look more like they belong in the ring. They can physically do more, and take harder hits.

Yes, I understand Kelly Kelly has worked very hard, blah blah blah. But, as I've said before, she's been there five years, now. So, she should be on the level that Trish and Victoria were in 2005. She's not even close to where they were after two years in the business, let alone five.

As far as the money issue goes, note Mickie James didn't sign with TNA until they agreed to pay her six figures. Victoria/Tara walked out on them for a bit 'til they came through with more money.

And, who, week in and week out, gets the highest TV ratings on Impact, and have been doing so for a very long time? Who's segments do the most people tune in to watch, then change the channel when they're done? Hogan? Angle? Sting? Jeff Hardy?

No, it's the KNOCKOUTS. They're the company's biggest draws, yet they're not paid, accordingly. Yes, Kurt, Mickie James outdraws you! Neener neener neener...

Sorry, the internal Mickie Mark... Won't let it happen again.

Oh, and they're the biggest draws even when the top one isn't on. So, yes, women who can actually wrestle and happen to look good, even if they're not lingerie model types = Ratings. In fact...

If the skin and bones swimsuit/lingerie models are really more marketable than the muscle girls of the past like Lita, Trish, Victoria, Mickie, etc, then why haven't they achieved that level of popularity? If it really is all about looks, if muscle and in ring abiity are really negatives... Shouldn't Kelly, Eve, and the Bellas be way more popular than that past group of Divas? The fact that they're not, the fact that people always say making comparisons is "not fair" because Kelly & company can't possibly live up to what the earlier group did, the fact that one of those long retired Divas is on more magazine covers in 2011 than Kelly & company, pretty much disproves the "Swimsuit/lingerie models are more marketable as wrestlers" theory.

Lauren wrote:

The LL Father wrote:

also Miz is awesome just saying >.>

No he is not and for even saying that, you're grounded and I'm taking away your Layla El action figure. Now, go in the corner and think about what you said and how it upset me.

When did we switch roles? last time i checked i was the big daddy like Admin haha!!!

and pfft to you. I have a secret stash of Layla El things that you will never find ahahahaaaa


oh oh and pfft to Kelly not bein on the same level as Trish. Trish was not any better when she was a 3-4 time champ. it was only around 2005 that she truly showed how good she was....and lets not forget it is totally unfair to dog on divas of today for not being great. When they are all learning together. Trish was learning whilst wrestling girls like Ivory, Jackie, Jazz etc....how can you possibly be at the same level when you learning against the likes of Alicia, Layla and Maryse...when they too are also learning

its like learning how to speak english from an english speaking person and learning english from spanish person

You upset me, I swooned! Swooned before laying down with a sick headache because I couldn't believe you said that. I swear, I haven't been this upset since Kevin said he loved Kelly Kelly and Dead cosigned on the Kelly Kelly love with him.

Oh and if you're talking about that Layla El Smooth magazine in your footlocker; Ha! I took that too!

I was referring to the magazine yes....but i for the life of me don't know what a footlocker is. ME BRITISH!

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Trish was learning whilst wrestling girls like Ivory, Jackie, Jazz etc....how can you possibly be at the same level when you learning against the likes of Alicia, Layla and Maryse...when they too are also learning

So, you're saying, during the time Kelly has been there, Mickie, Melina, Beth, Victoria, Nattie, and Gail were "just learning"? She was working with quite a few pros over the last five years.

I wouldnt say that. Most of those girls yes are pro's and are the cream of the crop today. But not to mention that when Kelly debuted in 06 most of the girls you mentioned themselves had only been pro for what 5 years themselves....so they had only JUST got into their element.

Whereas Jackie and Ivory where 10-15 years into their careers and still going strong...

But you do make a valid point yes! But again bringing it back to Kelly (lord knows why not a BIG fan but still) for her first year or two she spent most of it dancing (rather then wrestling) or wrestling against an equally new Layla .... so in fairness Kelly who btw rarely ever wrestled Mickie, Melina or Gail has only been working with the top dogs for the last 2-3 years....which in most peoples career is still considered green

LL is right. But in Kelly's case, she has had about 7 televised matches with Beth, 1 or 2 with Nattie, a few with Victoria, 1 with Gail, a few with Melina and even McCool.



Look at Eve. She only got to work with Nattie and the less experienced Michelle. She only recently got to work with Beth & Melina to a lesser extent.

Id say she was wrestling Michelle when she was in her prime. But yes Eve has improved alot more...but thats because Eve uses more basic moves as well as her fancy shmancy shit.!

and also Eve spent her first year or so in FCW didn't she? Kelly was brought straight up and was soon made into a wrestler.

I would also say i think Eve prolly has more houseshow appearances under her belt...considering she is a two time champ and whenever she wasnt a champ she was the challenger....i think that is one of the reasons Layla and Eve improved so rapidally over the last 2 years because they have been doing most of the house shows...so they get more time to hone their craft

The LL Father wrote:

I wouldnt say that. Most of those girls yes are pro's and are the cream of the crop today. But not to mention that when Kelly debuted in 06 most of the girls you mentioned themselves had only been pro for what 5 years themselves....so they had only JUST got into their element.

Whereas Jackie and Ivory where 10-15 years into their careers and still going strong...

But you do make a valid point yes! But again bringing it back to Kelly (lord knows why not a BIG fan but still) for her first year or two she spent most of it dancing (rather then wrestling) or wrestling against an equally new Layla .... so in fairness Kelly who btw rarely ever wrestled Mickie, Melina or Gail has only been working with the top dogs for the last 2-3 years....which in most peoples career is still considered green

If you go back and watch the Trish vs Victoria series from 2002, where they each had about 2 years experience in the business, then watch the Kelly vs Brie series (K2, 5 years experience, B2 4 years), you'll see that Trish & Victoria were still putting on a better series even then.

This is where the fitness model backgrounds came in handy. All that muscle and conditioning just plain meant they could do more physically than Kelly, and take much harder hits than she can.

Oh, and Trish wasn't working all that much with Jackie and Ivory early on. It was mainly Lita and Molly, who were pros, but ones with less experience and seasoning than Beth and company had when Kelly started working with them.

It has nothing to do with Fitness model or not. It's just you learn quickly or you don't.

Velvet is almost a 9 year veteran and still wrestles horrible. Rosa has been there WAY to damn long she wrestlers like crap.

Maria took forever to learn.

While Kristal Marshall showed vast improvements within 6 months of training.

EVERYONE gets better at their own rate. Fitness model or model, nerd or science geek, body builder or soccer player....pole dancer or lap dancer.....everyone grows at their own rate.

Doesn't matter what you did, what you do or try to. You improve at your own rate.

Nicole Bass was a body builder, so was Shaniqua but the improvements in the ring where clearly diffrent.

So please don't bring up theories about fitness models or models.

Lacey was an everyday average girl, Velvet sky was an average every day girl, within 3 years Lacey was at the top of the food chain one of the biggest names on the indy scene....9 years later....Velvet is stll trying to stand her ground in the ring.

Again, for some people - myself included - I don't think it's question of work ethic. It's a matter of the quality of wrestling (and overall performance). LL, you said it yourself in the Impact Quarterly Ratings thread: the fact that the KOs are the highest drawing segment does say a lot. Not all of those girls started out as indy wrestlers. Sure, there's eye-candy. The difference is there's more quality workers in the company.

Whether they are former fitness models, soccer players or whatever... it doesn't matter. The quality of their work (Divas) is sub-par.

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Again, for some people - myself included - I don't think it's question of work ethic. It's a matter of the quality of wrestling (and overall performance). LL, you said it yourself in the Impact Quarterly Ratings thread: the fact that the KOs are the highest drawing segment does say a lot. Not all of those girls started out as indy wrestlers. Sure, there's eye-candy. The difference is there's more quality workers in the company.

Whether they are former fitness models, soccer players or whatever... it doesn't matter. The quality of their work (Divas) is sub-par.

Yeah, if the current crop of Divas was as great as those defending them here are saying, we'd be seeing quality matches that got the crowds going. They'd be a legit draw, like the previous group of Divas were, and the KOs are for TNA, today.

The difference going in between fitness and swimsuit/lingerie models is brought up because the swimsuit/lingerie model defenders always refer to two specific success stories, Trish & Victoria, regarding models who were taught to wrestle. But, neither were skin and bones. What they were selling as models was strength, fitness, and conditioning. And yeah, in wrestling, that makes a big difference in what you can do, and how fast you can do it. Could Kelly physically take the sort of punishment Trish and Victoria routinely dished out to each other?

No, she couldn't. Beth and company have to be very careful with her, treat her with kid gloves. And, yeah, that's going to affect the quality of the matches. She's just not built to do the things in the ring Mickie James does.

Lucky 7 wrote:

Queen Mintz wrote:

Eve needs to be quiet because she was still a model. She came from the diva search, if she really wanted to be a wrestler she could've worked her butt off to become one instead of joining that diva search

Velvet Sky tried out for the Diva search, as well as many other of the "prettier" indy girls. Would it have been diffrent if they won?

Or will they be labeled "Models" because they won the diva search?

Also Eve was a dancer, not a Model, Modeling was part time, she made a career out of dancing. Michele was a teacher..not a model, but she was a Diva Search girl as well. Was never a model, but a teacher.

Kaitlyn, Aksana were body builders, women who modeled for Fitness magazines because of their muscular build. But will be labeled "Models" because that is what their peers are.

For most of them modeling was a part time gig. For Aksana and Kaitlyn's case was to pay for their body building competitions. You need to finance your career somehow and most people model if they have the look.

If Michelle wanted to be the good wrestler she ended up being, she should have started out wrestling, so she has no say, she would have to shut up too, she was a diva search girl...thus labeled "a model"

I wouldn't say all of them were models, my point is that someone like Eve isn't really that great in the ring. She hasn't wowed me with a great match. Michelle came from the diva search, yes, but she worked her ass off and became a great wrestler. Trish was a model but she worked her ass off and became a great wrestler as well, Layla came from the diva search and had worked her ass off too, those are the divas I respect. I respect the talented women who work their asses off each week to put on great matches. I honestly don't think Eve and The Bellas could do that even with more time, they would just be boring. Kelly has been there for so long and still can't wrestle, if she was working hard like she says then people would be able to see it in the ring. Instead, they see the John Cena of the womens division. That's just my take on it, I know there's a nice debate going on about it

Rated X Aussie wrote:

Queen Mintz wrote:

Eve needs to be quiet because she was still a model. She came from the diva search, if she really wanted to be a wrestler she could've worked her butt off to become one instead of joining that diva search

Oh fuck off seriously. Why don't you go tell all those American Idol and X Factor people to work their asses of with music and get in the proper way, not to go through a 'competition.'

Please don't be rude to me like that. I'm sorry for the way I said Eve needs to be quiet. Some of the stuff her and The Bellas say just drives me crazy

perceval wrote:

[quote Could Kelly physically take the sort of punishment Trish and Victoria routinely dished out to each other?

No, she couldn't. Beth and company have to be very careful with her, treat her with kid gloves. And, yeah, that's going to affect the quality of the matches. She's just not built to do the things in the ring Mickie James does.

Not at all, their are women more petit, skinnier and smaller than kelly Kelly to come and go. Amanda Fox, Daizee Haze, Gail Kim. Hell Velvet Sky and Ms. Tessmacher are pretty much buld like Kelly Kelly but they take as much blows and hits.

This has more to do with will power than physicallity.

Queen Mintz wrote:

I wouldn't say all of them were models, my point is that someone like Eve isn't really that great in the ring. She hasn't wowed me with a great match. Michelle came from the diva search, yes, but she worked her ass off and became a great wrestler. Trish was a model but she worked her ass off and became a great wrestler as well, Layla came from the diva search and had worked her ass off too, those are the divas I respect. I respect the talented women who work their asses off each week to put on great matches. I honestly don't think Eve and The Bellas could do that even with more time, they would just be boring. Kelly has been there for so long and still can't wrestle, if she was working hard like she says then people would be able to see it in the ring. Instead, they see the John Cena of the womens division. That's just my take on it, I know there's a nice debate going on about it

YOU don't know their are MANY MANY MANY women who have WORKED hard, who have Work their ASSES off and not reach to a respectable level. Because some learn quicker than others, some people just DON'T hae it itn them. Becky Bayless, Shelly Martinez, Velvet Sky, these are just SOME girls who has been in wrestling for almost a decade and have yet to even wrestle a respectable match.

So your not going to respect them because they aren't good wrestlers? Despite busting their asses off for almost 10 years? Because YOU think they don't work as hard as the other girls because they aren"'t "great". Hell maybe they work 10X harder than most women, but just DON'T have it in them to be credible wrestler.

You all remember Cherry right? Well I've been following her career since like forever. And honestly, everyone talks how great she is but you know when she started to show growth as a wrestler? After about 8 years into her wrestling career is when "Kara Drew/Slice" showed great growth as a wrestler. Her matches 8 years before that? NOTHING to brag about. Why? She's a slow learner, she needed more time than other girls to find her ninche. Doesn't mean she wasn't working hard, just mean

Because i used to spend COUNTLESS hours studying for my spanish tests. Up to 1 to to2 AM. Just to get a below average grade for it. And then if someone like you came and told me "The only reason why your grade is so low is because you aren't working your butt off to get one"

You how i would feel if someone told me that, despite me staying up late nights in a row studying?

Just because i'm not "GREAT" at spanish despite working my butt off.

Kristal was dishing out some pretty respectible matches only 6 months into her training. It didn't mean she worked harder it just meant it all comes more natural and easier for her.

YOU have no idea how hard these women work so you can't judge. Maybe Michelle was training 10X less than Eve was but it all just came more natural to her. Your giving Michelle credit when she doesn't deserve it and discrediting Eve's countless hours so to speak.

My dad has two sprinters, one is SUPER dedicated did everything as told, the other was slacking off at times. Not always doing ALL the trainings as told. For the last 6 years, the one who's slacking off has become the fastes female sprinter on Aruba, the other dedicated one? Always in her shadow and always 2 steps behind. Why? Because the other girl is just faster better and stronger, so no matter how much they trained, even when the dedicated one got extra training, she couldn't beat her.

So should we tell her "Oh your not busting your ass enough? " What would that do to her spirit? How would you feel if it was you? And LIKE you, most people ASUMED she didn't work hard enough.

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Not at all, their are women more petit, skinnier and smaller than kelly Kelly to come and go. Amanda Fox, Daizee Haze, Gail Kim.

Actually...

Kelly Kelly - 5' 6", 108 pounds
Gail Kim - 5' 4", 125 pounds

2 inches shorter than Kelly, while 17 pounds heavier. That's where the muscle mass difference comes in.

Gail just looked tiny because she was in the ring with Lita, Trish, and Molly (135-140 pounds), Jazz (148 pounds), and Victoria (155 pounds). Gail was Mickie and Melina sized, which is petite compared to Lita, Trish, Molly, Jazz, and Victoria, but not compared to Kelly or Terri Runnels.

Daize Haze 5'3 - 115 pounds
Amanda Fox 5'5 - 115 Poinds
Rosita - 4'11 - 105 pounds
Shantelle Taylor - 5'3 - 115 pounds
Brooke Adams - 5'5 - 110 Pounds
Madison Rayne - 5'3 - 115 Pounds


Sounds PRETTY close to me. All are on what we call Model weight.

And some actual models, Kristal Marshall, Layla, Christy Hemme, Candice Michelle out wieght most of these girls.

Damn, those chicks are short. lol

Daizee... Out of action because of her health issues. Was getting "Eat a sandwich" chants. Probably as good to use as an example of healthy weight as Matt Hardy is of sound mind.

Rosita... Sure, she's 3 pounds lighter than Kelly, and 6 inches shorter. If she were as tall as Kelly, she'd be around Lita's weight. You have to consider how tall they are regarding their respective weights. What's a good weight for someone who's 4' 11" is obviously going to be different than someone's who's 5' 5" like Kelly.

But, let's look look at the most popular women wrestlers, ever...

The Fabulous Moolah: 5' 4", 135 pounds
Trish Stratus: 5' 4", 135 pounds
Lita: 5' 6", 135 pounds

Hmm... I'm detecting a trend, here...

What are the lightest girls in Kelly's height range considered among the greats, and ones you can build a Division around?

Mickie James: 5' 4", 124 pounds
Melina Perez: 5' 4", 123 pounds
Gail Kim: 5' 4", 125 pounds

Kelly needs to put on some muscle. She doesn't have to be Trish or Lita sized, but she should be at least Mickie, Melina, or Gail sized. Muscle does make a difference in wrestling. She'd be able to do more in the ring if she were physically stronger and more durable. What difference would 15 to 20 more pounds of muscle make? Just look at the six names above.

Becky Bayless - 5'2- 122 pounds
Velvet Sky - 5'6 -125 Pounds
Veronica Stevens - 5'5 -130 pounds.

All rather short women, about the same weight....yet very horrible in the ring.

You DON'T NEED size to have muscle. I was always SUPER thin, looked underfed, weighed way to little and had strenght, was stronger than most regular kids my size.

Not ALL people are mean to be like that. Kelly Kelly was a gymnist, usually light, because they need their balance. BUT ALSO strong.

Maybe she needs their muscle WEIGHT because Alicia Fox is like 130 Pounds but she's skinnier than Kelly. Because she is all muscle. She doesn;t NEED to be their SIZE..gail does't have SIZE ashe has muscle weight. Their is a diffrence. She doesn't need to put on size, she needs to turn whatever she has now into muscle...that is all.

Like Angelina Love, Like Alicia Fox, despite being really thin, is still all muscle instead of SIZE.

You are tampering 2 diffrent things...size and muscle....most people who have more SIZE rely on less muscle, when you have less size, you rely more on muscle.

WOW! The fans were actually chanting "eat a sandwich"?

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WOW! The fans were actually chanting "eat a sandwich"?

Yep. You remember what she looked like, at that point.

I remember the pic, but I didn't hear anything about chants.