WTF

I know WWE doesn't give a shit about the divas division, but this is just an all time low.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9IEACdf0QE

How the hell does Nikki Bella pin Beth Phoenix, the divas champ who has been built as unbeatable? Why the fuck is Kelly Kelly out there also?

I'm so furious at this cereal-box booking, I don't fucking want Kharma to debut and fued with Beth because WWE doesn't deserve that if they are going to have their dominant champion lose basically cleanly to Nikki Bella of all people. How can we actually buy Beth taking it to the Glamazon?

I wish WWE would just fire all the wrestlers and keep the divas for T&A again, its rediculous.

I think Beth and Kelly are feuding again.

For the third time in the span of a year? WOW@WWE'SDEPTHOFROSTER.

Sadly Kelly's one of these biggest divas they've got right now, so of course she's going to be around and feuding with the champ and sadly yes for a 3rd time lol. It's not what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure it's going to happen. Oh and Beth did beat the hell out Nikki, she just didn't win, so she still looks dominate to a certain degree, but I do agree the champ shouldn't be losing like that, but at least her match was longer than DB's.

I think you find that Nikki won what was it via distraction....hardly gonna dent Beth's dominant character

Beth has a dominant character? Shouldn't a dominant character win more often than they lose?

The Division and matches are being kept down to Kelly's level.

Why is Kelly always being blame for something leave her alone!!!!

perceval wrote:

The Division and matches are being kept down to Kelly's level.

Jeez i get it, you don't like Kelly, you're like a broken record....time after time...after time....it's like a never ending record.

Yes yes yes it is true, but it's also true that the Bella's are twins.

We don't go around in every post saying. "Nikki and Brie are twins"...."Nikki and Brie are twins"

We know their twins no need to say it every post we get a chance too.

Stating the obvious sounds fun in the beginning, i crack up a bit, it gets funny, then......you eventually get tired especially when the material is always the same. With Melina i kept it fresh, move thief a couple of months, then over pushed whore a couple of months, then i went with horse teeth a few months and then crappy wrestler, to over choreogaphed wrestler, to backstage whore, especially when the snitsky news broke out. I kept it fresh, kept it new.

If all you have been complaining about is 1. She sucks at wrestling, 2. she pees in sinks and 3. she's a backstage whore 4. butterface.....it's time to freshin up the material or get over it....because in the end....it all got tired like 8 months ago...and people been singing the same song the last 3/4 years.

Like i said, get new....or get over it. And I love a good diva insult and i'm tired of it.

OMG THE BELLA TWINS ARE TWINS?!?

Serial wrote:

TheMotto wrote:

Why is Kelly always being blame for something leave her alone!!!!

LOL

Emily Thorne's Apprentice wrote:

Yes yes yes it is true, but it's also true that the Bella's are twins.

We don't go around in every post saying. "Nikki and Brie are twins"...."Nikki and Brie are twins"

We know their twins no need to say it every post we get a chance too.

Stating the obvious sounds fun in the beginning, i crack up a bit, it gets funny, then......you eventually get tired especially when the material is always the same. With Melina i kept it fresh, move thief a couple of months, then over pushed whore a couple of months, then i went with horse teeth a few months and then crappy wrestler, to over choreogaphed wrestler, to backstage whore, especially when the snitsky news broke out. I kept it fresh, kept it new.

If all you have been complaining about is 1. She sucks at wrestling, 2. she pees in sinks and 3. she's a backstage whore 4. butterface.....it's time to freshin up the material or get over it....because in the end....it all got tired like 8 months ago...and people been singing the same song the last 3/4 years.

Like i said, get new....or get over it. And I love a good diva insult and i'm tired of it.

YES!!!! THANK U!!!
I am so sick and tired of the pees in the sink shit I mean come on now who cares.But if it was Layla it would be "Awwwww look at
My little English muffin peeing in the sink how cute!!!"

to paraphrase someone

'Jeez i get it, you don't like Layla, you're like a broken record....time after time...after time....it's like a never ending record.'

I can gaurentee right now if Layla was photoed peeing in a sink, we would all think it is disgusting...so what is the need to bring Layla into this

Because I was using everyone's favorite as an example.My question is why was Kelly brought into this??.The topic was about Beth's losing streak so far not about Kelly Kelly.Ive notice a few threads lately and the topics have nothing to do with Kelly but her name gets brought up and it turns into a straight Kelly bash.When we was talking about Alicia fox Kelly's name for some god reason got brought up nothing gets done when we go off topic and start dissing Kelly.So tell me why was Kelly brought up when this topic was about beth???

Because she was featured in the match, she's the reason Beth lost.

I understand that but why did it turn into a the division has to be tone down because of Kelly Kelly??

Because she's not as good as the either divas, so to keep from hurting her they have tone it down a bit, they have to work within her comfort zone.

I think Kelly can work a match with the big girls she took some pretty nasty bumps in the past.

That's true, but so did Candice and we all see how that turned out. I doubt WWE would risk that happening to Kelly, she's the star of their division. The same thing happened to my all time favorite Sable, she was a huge star but wasn't as good as the other women, so they were ordered to take it easy on her.

The thing is sable sign a contract where she was allowed to not take any bumps but for Kelly I don't think she's that type to tell wwe that she doesn't wanna take any bumps she looks like she would do anything in a match to get the job done if its just 2 minute match or a 10 minute match I think she can get it done.

She'll even do jobs that start with a 'B' or an 'H.'

The LL Father wrote:

to paraphrase someone

'Jeez i get it, you don't like Layla, you're like a broken record....time after time...after time....it's like a never ending record.'

I can gaurentee right now if Layla was photoed peeing in a sink, we would all think it is disgusting...so what is the need to bring Layla into this

Of course, it's not peeing in the sink that got Kelly's matches the label "Bathroom break." It's not the rumors of her sex life, because nobody ever said Melina was a bad Champion. Whatever anyone said about Melina's personal life or her backstage issues, NO ONE could deny her ability as a performer. Three words: Falls Count Anywhere. Michelle McCool caught flack over who her husband was, people saying that was the reason for her push during the last years of her career, but, like with Melina, nobody can deny that she got it done in the ring, not to mention her ability to work a crowd and get heat.

In ring ability wouldn't be an issue with Kelly if she wasn't constantly in the title picture, and it seems she's about to get her second run as Champion. Yes, she's pretty and popular. Stacy & Torrie were far more popular than Kelly's ever been, and never held the belt.

What difference does the ability to make it look real make? We saw, last year, when they had Kelly do a classic Lita bit. Compare the original to the remake...

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Can't blame the writers for that. That's what Kelly brings as the top face of the Division. She's great at smiling and posing, and there's a place for that. But, it's not in the Lita/Trish/Mickie spot.

People are saying, "Just wait 'til Kharma is back," but what can she do with Kelly that Beth can't?

@Serial: Damn comedian lmao

Will you guys ever get off of each other's dicks about this issue? Kelly sucks in the ring. Layla sucks in the ring (despite slight improvement which I'll acknowledge.) Both suck in the damn ring. So, too, does just about every other WWE Diva.

It's sad and pathetic constantly arguing like little girls over shitty wrestlers. If you like 'em... fine. If you don't... fine. Obviously, you guys are unwaivering in your support or disapproval of these women; so why even bother trying to challenge others' opinions?!

Suck My COCKINESS! wrote:

The same thing happened to my all time favorite Sable, she was a huge star but wasn't as good as the other women, so they were ordered to take it easy on her.

Actually.......she refused to take big bumps, Sable was a little full of herself back in the day, gosh i loved her lol.

perceval wrote:

Yes, she's pretty and popular. Stacy & Torrie were far more popular than Kelly's ever been, and never held the belt.

You should REALLY do you research, Stacey WAS set to be champ, WWE WAS set to put the championship Stacey.....BUT Stacey declined because she didin't wan't to become a full time wrestler. So because she was pretty and popular WWE wanted to put the title on her, she is the one who said no.

Torrie Wilson was on a different brand, that used their women Differently. By the time Torrie Reached her peak in popularity the women's championship was exclusively to Raw, if their was a Women's title exclusively for Smackdown I assure you Torrie would have been a 10 time champion or something because she was Smackdown's golden Girl.

So basically you threw in names of "Pretty and Popular" girls from someone who refused the opportunity to be champion and one who had no opportunity at all to be a champion to begin with because her brand had a different view on women to justify why someone "Pretty and Popular" couldn't win the championship.

Want to throw in more "pretty and Popular" names? Terri Runnels.....didn't want to be a full time wrestler, so no point tossing the belt on her.

But I do know a couple of Pretty and Popular Girls that DID win the championship, The Kat and Debra, I do know a none wrestler who won the title as well which was Stephanie Mcmahon.

And another thing, let's not forget, the ONLY reason WHY both Trish and Sable won the championship for the first time,......was because they were "Blond, Pretty and Popular". Becuase their is enough clips to use during trish's first reign as champion worth of botches to equal Ashley's career in the WWE worth of botches.

You may put the bitch on e pedal stool but let's not forget when she first won the Women's Championship. she was the worst wrestler out of all other women in the division (Lita, Ivory, Jazz, Molly, Jacqueline) and had a crap load of botches at that time as well. Sure she got better but she was bad as well and won because she was "Pretty and Popular"

You can go write a 2000 Word post and show me a bunch of pointless clips on why she was "good" but at the end of the day, she was the weakest wrestler, their were 5 women better than her to choose from but they decided to go with the pretty one, and now Kelly get's flack for basically the same thing they did forever?

Get over yourself, get over Trish......get some better facts.

And you just got schooled....peace out....i'm done with this thread....Facts are facts and people need to get over it. Because WWE could do worse and have Rosa Mendes leading the pack.....and they don't. So let's be happy they decided they didn't go with the complete worse one.

Emily Thorne's Apprentice wrote:

Suck My COCKINESS! wrote:

The same thing happened to my all time favorite Sable, she was a huge star but wasn't as good as the other women, so they were ordered to take it easy on her.

Actually.......she refused to take big bumps, Sable was a little full of herself back in the day, gosh i loved her lol.

That's why she's my favorite! I had her toys and her movie. She was fucking AWESOME!! I think I love her more than I love Nicki and Lita.

What movie?

Just want to mention they did throw a title on Terri .... just took it off her pretty snappish

The LL Father wrote:

Just want to mention they did throw a title on Terri .... just took it off her pretty snappish

Lol Many people have held the Hardcore Title...so did Trish and Molly, i seriously miss that title, i would have LOVED to see Maria involved in something like that in her interviewing dumb blond days.

@Emily Thorne's apprentice...

Actually, your tantrum throwing isn't "schooling." The wonderful thing about Youtube is your claims that Kelly Kelly is a worthy Champion are easily disproved by just comparing her matches with others. I posted an example for you, comparing what she can do to Lita in the exact same scenario. She couldn't even manage looking angry when she came out over just losing her title, forcing JR to do that commentary telling us she really was upset about it.

If you think that it should be all about posing and smiling, and ability to work a good match, get the crowds into what you're doing when it's something besides posing and smiling shouldn't factor into who's in the title picture, if you think Kelly vs Brie is the ideal the Division should strive for instead of those solid feuds and matches they used to do, if you think Kelly was a much more worthy Champion than Mickie James ever was because she's prettier, then just be honest and say so.

Yeah, Torrie was on SD and away from the Championship. Why do you suppose that was? When the roster was split, Ivory was put on SD to train up Stacy & Torrie. When it was realized that that was a lost cause, they quietly moved Ivory back to Raw. Notice when Sable returned, she was put on SD and away from the title picture. Why? Because the Division had changed while she was away. What was good enough to be Champion during her first run no longer was.

When she was moved to Raw, Stacy was in some decent matches. She was never a real wrestler, but became solid enough to where Molly & Trish could carry her without it being too obvious that Stacy was being carried. So, either Stacy became better than Kelly is, or Molly & Trish were better carriers than Beth. Stacy's offence was a distaff version of Kevin Nash's. What that says about Nash's abilities... Well...

Melina was just on SD long enough to get her character developed and over, as Raw's Women's Division wouldn't have given her enough room for that. As soon as her character was over, she was put in a program with Trish, then moved to Raw, full time. Michelle was stuck on SD for four years before she was in the title picture, because she wasn't a good enough wrestler to hold it, until then.

Terri actually had some ability, but she was just too small, outweighed by the women in the Division by 35 - 55 pounds. Part of the reasons Mickie's and Melina's rises were such a big deal was they'd both been told, early in their careers, that they'd never make it in WWE's Women's Division because they were too small, at 124 & 123 pounds, respectively. JR brought that up during one of Mickie's matches with Lita, playing her up as the little girl taking on, and beating, her much larger opponents.

Kelly is 108 pounds. AJ's tiny, too, but has the move set to make up for it. If Kelly could do AJ's Octopus submission, or the sorts of submission moves this little girl busted out on the big girls (as her opponents were always bigger than her in those days)...

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...no one would be complaining about her matches. As it is, we're expected to buy Kelly just plain overpowering the likes of Beth. A pure physical strength, power move, brawler style just doesn't work for Kelly. But, if she had the Flying Dragon as a signature move...

It used to be you had the pure eye candy, the wrestlers, and the hybrid Divas who could work a great match with the non-eye candy, then go off with the eye candy to those exotic locales and do the bikini photo shoot videos (Ivory, Lita, Trish, Victoria, Melina, Mickie, Beth, Candice). And here's the bottom line... When were the Divas most popular? When were they a cash cow for WWE, selling all those videos, magazines, posters, and other merchandise year after year? Answer: When they followed that formula of wresters, eye candy, and hybrids. The hybrids were the top stars in the Division, while the pure eye candy shined in other things than matches. The folks who wanted good matches with the women had them, the folks who just wanted to look at pretty girls without a lot of muscle smiling and posing had what they wanted. Win-win.

If the pure eye candy over everything approach was good for business, I'd understand it. I wouldn't like it, but I'd understand why they were doing it.

Big Pun wrote:

What movie?

Sable Unleashed!

The thing Is you can't compare lita beating the shit out of Trish at SS to Kelly beating Beth.They had to keep it pg while Trish and lita could do it raw and hardcore.

@Perceval

A: All this mumbo jumbo you wrote had NO relevance what so ever to what i said.

B: I never said nor deny that Kelly was a worthy Champion all i said was....they could do worse.

c: You said the only reason why they tossed the title on Kelly was because she was "popular and a pretty face" which is why i said they did the same with Trish, Sable, The Kat AND wanted to do with Stacey (But she didn't want to be a full time wrestlers so she declined the offer that was GIVEN to her to be champion)

D: All that you wrote has nothing contradicting my facts. And have NO idea what you mean "I used to be you" because.....well, you don't know me and my views on wrestling so please don't go there. In my standards of wrestling Trish was crap, Lita was crap, Melina was crap and Mickie was meh, if i compiled a list of actual great wrestlers (not charcters not personas not acting ability not entertainers...but actual wrestling)....they'd be at the lower part of my list and maybe the lower 50's.

Do not compare you and myself, you live in the world of Trish on a pedal stool, I just saw Trish as a chick with some really good acting and mic skills....who could do a decent job in the ring. Don't you dare compare us because we are on different opinions when it comes to this all.

TheMotto wrote:

The thing Is you can't compare lita beating the shit out of Trish at SS to Kelly beating Beth.They had to keep it pg while Trish and lita could do it raw and hardcore.

Lita and Trish were close in size. Terri administering that kind of beatdown on either of them wouldn't have worked. When Kelly just plain physically overpowers and beats down Beth, it turns into unintentional comedy. The response among wrestling fans was to make fun of it. It was supposed to be a dramatic moment.

Someone Kelly's size and build needs to have a Gail/AJ style. She's just not believable as a pure powerhouse type. You don't book Kelly the way you would, say, Kharma. As great as Kharma is, she could never do a Flying Dragon. Different things work for different people.

Meh, I didn't get mad about it because I'm used to WWE doing this stuff by now. It seems like they don't know what else to do until Layla or Kharma return as well but I sure didn't want to see Beth vs Kelly again

this is gonna sound silly. and it does to me to since I would rather Layla get the title next since is due a title push.

but I miss the day with championships where it would be like - A, B, A(2times), C, A(3times), B (2times), C(2times), D etc

now a days the title goes from one diva to the next, rather than the champion losing the titlte back to the one they won it from to begin with.

Emily Thorne's Apprentice wrote:

@Perceval

A: All this mumbo jumbo you wrote had NO relevance what so ever to what i said.

No, you just lack a counter argument.

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B: I never said nor deny that Kelly was a worthy Champion all i said was....they could do worse.

Then why the rage, ranting, and raving over me saying she wasn't a worthy Champion, and making my case for why?

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c: You said the only reason why they tossed the title on Kelly was because she was "popular and a pretty face" which is why i said they did the same with Trish, Sable, The Kat AND wanted to do with Stacey (But she didn't want to be a full time wrestlers so she declined the offer that was GIVEN to her to be champion)

And, I demonstrated your assertion that Trish was no better than Sable, Miss Kitty, Kelly, etc, wasn't based on facts or logic. There's a reason that, when Sable returned, she was put on SD and kept out of the title picture.

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D: All that you wrote has nothing contradicting my facts. And have NO idea what you mean "I used to be you"

Now, you're making up quotes. Please point to that quote in my post. You can't, because it isn't there.

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because.....well, you don't know me and my views on wrestling so please don't go there. In my standards of wrestling Trish was crap, Lita was crap, Melina was crap and Mickie was meh,

The four most over female wrestlers of the modern era were all terrible? How is it that their matches weren't "bathroom breaks" if that's the case? Please explain why the fans wanted to watch them wrestle, and don't feel the same way about, say, Kelly vs Brie.

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if i compiled a list of actual great wrestlers (not charcters not personas not acting ability not entertainers...but actual wrestling)....they'd be at the lower part of my list and maybe the lower 50's.

You do realize that acting, entertaining, charisma, etc, are part of what makes a great professional wrestler? Were Stone Cold Steve Austin or the Rock the greatest technicians in history? No. You think it was just technical skill that made Lou Thesz the greatest professional wrestler of his era? He had that, but that was only part of what got him marked, early on, as the future of the business. What else? His good looks and charisma.

You think the Nature Boy character isn't a large part of what got Ric Flair over? What about Shawn Michaels? Sting? Randy Savage? Eddie Guerrero? Mick Foley? Chris Jericho? Edge? C M Punk?

It's a combination of technical skill, mic skill, charisma, and the ability to work a variety of match styles. It's being the Total Package. There are better technical wrestlers than C. M. Punk out there, but none that are a better Total Package.

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Do not compare you and myself, you live in the world of Trish on a pedal stool, I just saw Trish as a chick with some really good acting and mic skills....

I give credit where it's due. See above about the importance of being the Total Package. Name me a woman in the business, at least since the 1950s, who was a better Total Package than Trish. I thought, six years ago, that Mickie would be, though Mickie is still the closest to it, today. The most popular years for women's wrestling were 2001-06. There's a reason for that. There's also a reason she's always listed second after Moolah in the Greatest of All Time lists (with Lita usually coming in third). Here's one of those writers who called her second only to Moolah, and the greatest of the modern era. Most think that he knows a thing or two about wrestling, though you may disagree...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/sun-fc/1746360/Trish-is-still-Stratusfying.html

I thought, back in 2006, that the pro wrestling writers were overrating Trish, that someone would easily fill the void she left. But, and you can deny this all you like, but if you do you're denying reality... No one has.

Last year, after five years of no one filling the void, I had to conclude that I was wrong back in 2006, and that she really was all that despite my Mickie fanboying. Mickie & Melina came the closest, though, especially Mickie. Candice was getting there. They weren't as over as Trish or Lita, but they kept the fans interested, kept them caring, made the folks filling those arenas and watching on TV want to see them wrestle.

The fans love watching Kelly smile and pose. She loses them during her matches.

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who could do a decent job in the ring. Don't you dare compare us because we are on different opinions when it comes to this all.

But, you could try to present a logical case for your argument. Maybe if you wouldn't get so upset? You seem to be genuinely enraged, here.

Sable was on SD because she was Vinces whore, not a wrestler.

also, lol Candice...she was a fucking horrible wrestler.

you guys argue like these women are gonna personally give you a hug for defending them. just..stop

Uhm seriously, seriusly, yes 4 of the most over women in modern day wrestling were decent at best wrestlers. Acting, entertaining, charisma, etc, are part of what makes a great wrestler in the entertainment industry. The fact that i could sit here and name at least 20 women off the top of my head who are better wrestlers than these women says enough that they weren't that great of wrestlers, SURE great entertainers but not by any means a great wrestler, remove the charisma, remove the acting, remove the entertaining and they would never get over for their wrestling.


The fact that:

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there i mentioned a crap load of women who could out wrestle and make Trish (who was decent at best), Lita (who was nothing more than a spot monkey), Melina (who loves original moves by Shimmer wrestlers to call her own) and Mickie James (who is probably the better of the bunch), look like Kelly Kelly in the ring. Because they are just THAT much better.

I could actually name 2 Women in "the bizz" who were better total package than Trish and that is Lacey and April Hunter.......want me to stick to WWE then i'd say the best Total package is probably Sherri Martell, and also being the "total package" doesn't make you a great wrestler, it makes you a great Sports ENTERTAINER

If you think i'm angered, you are highly mistaken, I'm just having a good laugh at you just throwing the same lines on and on and on and on and sticking into your little bubble that is the WWE.

Also the ONLY reason reason why i defended Kelly is because the material people use to show their dislike to Kelly Kelly is getting a bit old, it has been the same 3 exuses the last 4 years....so i feel i've heard it all and it's getting boring. If they can find something fresh and new, i really wouldn't care but it's the same old stuff.....always to the point where.....i'm tired of it.

Dead wrote:

Sable was on SD because she was Vinces whore, not a wrestler.

also, lol Candice...she was a fucking horrible wrestler.

you guys argue like these women are gonna personally give you a hug for defending them. just..stop

lol