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PostSubject: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 2:03 pm

Jacqueline - pretty good, great heel and feud with Sable was well done
Sable - ok to start off with but after the thing with Tori fizzled out it was just lame and she barely even defended it
Debra - weak since she was only a transitional champ
Ivory - pretty good since it built the division around her and we had some good matches with Tori, Jackie and Luna
Moolah - awful, all 3 matches for it were just plain bad and pointless since Ivory won it back a week later
Ivory - same as her first one but there were a few too many T&A matches here
The Kat - lame since she wasn't a wrestler
Jackie - ok but the matches were too short and she was never given any proper feuding for it
Stephanie - good since she was such a good heel, she made you hate her being champion and you wanted someone to take it off her
Lita - best champ that year since matches were a little longer and she had good feuds
Ivory - her best reign and since she was with RTC it made it better. also much better matches since Molly was involved and Trish had improved
Chyna - lame since they had her squashing everyone except Lita. would have liked to see a Chyna/Jackie match
Trish - pretty good since matches got good time and the Jazz feud really built the belt up
Jazz - not as good as it could have been since injuries got involved but good enough matches anyway
Trish - ok but too short and she did have to feud with Stacy for a bit so...
Molly - really good but they didn't really build up anyone else to feud with her
Trish - very good and some of her best work
Victoria - one of the best, great matches, brilliant feud and she was a great heel
Trish - well decent matches but it was just so Jazz could have her title back
Jazz - got some good matches and would have liked to see Ivory's push play out but injuries got in the way
Gail Kim - good for what it was anyway, her matches were always a treat to watch
Molly Holly - good matches but they completely forgot about the title, she went from August to November without defending the title once
Victoria - alright but she wasn't always on TV and there was that one botchy match with Lita but still decent
Trish - too long and the feud didn't get going until Lita could actually wrestle again
Lita - too short but blame injuries for it
Trish - it was the worst year for the division but once she came back and Mickie got introduced she was pretty good
Mickie - great, psycho Mickie was awesome
Lita - came outta nowhere but alright. mainly to reignite the Trish feud
Lita - ok since she really shined as a heel here
Mickie - i really think she should have dropped it to Victoria and it really went nowhere for a while
Melina - wasn't ready for it and will not be forgiven for WM23. too long as well
Candice - brought out the best in her and her matches with Beth and Melina were great
Beth - brilliant, especially when they got Glamerella together
Mickie - kinda unexpected but really good, quality matches with Katie Lea
Beth - again good but really shouldn't have been feuding with Candice
Melina - much better than the last one and loved her. she was booked a little weak against McCool though
Michelle - the matches were fine but god it was way too long. only until Mickie was brought in did it actually get good
Mickie - too short but blame the staph infection
Michelle - more bearable since she had a better character now. the matches were given more time and effort was put into the feud with Beth
Beth - too short again but do we blame Rosa?
Layla - she's actually been really good lately, she was off in her match with Kelly but has been really polished lately

and the Divas Champions
Michelle - so far one of the best but should have feuded with Natalya a bit more
Maryse - she deserved it at first but she was awful. too long and some of the worst matches
Mickie - sadly not as good as it could have been since she got a little sloppy
Jillian - more entertaining than Maryse and Mickie anyway
Melina - ok for what it was but at least she didn't have to lose to Maryse
Maryse - better than her last one since Eve was pwning her every week
Eve - quite good, some quality matches and decent feud
Alicia Fox - so far she's been brilliant on the mic, and pretty good in the ring
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 6:45 pm

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[b]Molly Holly - good matches but they completely forgot about the title, she went from August to November without defending the title once

I think you were wrong this was an amazing reign, she was being hyped as one of the longest reigning champion in a long time. She was champ from July till sometime in February. Actually since Chyna held the championship for over 200 days, Molly held it for 210 and since then only Trish (with her 448 days) and Michelle with her (217 days), no one had come close to ever holding the championship THAT long. That was a really good time in Molly's career. about 7 months as champion.
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 7:13 pm

You left out a couple reigns..

Hervina, Trish's last, Mickie's 3rd, Melina's 2nd.

I know those were mainly one hour reigns but they still count!

I know Molly had a long reign but I still wish Lita would have won at Survivor Series..

She must have defended the belt in Aug-Nov.. For sure not on PPV but probably on Raw or Heat..


I'll do mine later.
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 7:14 pm

that was a long reign granted...but as Ricky pointed out she went 4 of those 7 months without even defending it

and ppl got on Laylas back for not defending it
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 7:28 pm

Did some research and here is the times she defended in August - November of 2003:


*08/04/03 Monday Night Raw


Trish Stratus made her way out to the ring for a shot at
the Women's Championship against the defending Champion, Molly Holly. Molly put
Trish in a waist lock and then she took her down to the mat and pinned her for a
one count. Molly took Trish down to the mat again and pinned her once again but
got another one count.

As Trish mounted Molly on the outside of the ring and gave
her a number of right hands, Victoria came out to the ringside area and attacked
Trish Stratus, planting her with a spinning side walk slam, causing the referee
to end the match in a disqualification.


*08/11/03 Monday Night Raw


Trish Stratus made her way out to the ring for a triple threat
women's match for the Women's Championship with Molly Holly defending the title
against both Gail Kim and Trish Stratus. ETC..

Molly "directed traffic," telling Gail to nail Trish as she
was stuck in the tree of woe but Molly knocked her down with a vicious clothesline
and pinned her for the three count to retain the title.



*08/18/03 Monday Night Raw - My B-Day!



Trish Stratus made her way out to the ring and she's up against
Molly Holly for the WWE Women's Championship. Trish and Molly locked it up in the
center of the ring and Molly put Trish in a wrist lock and then she twisted away
on her arm and yanked on it and then pulled her down to the mat by the hair. Molly
went to the top rope for the Molly Go Round but Trish knocked her down and then
pulled her down from the top rope with a head scissors.



Trish gave Molly a spinebuster and then Gail Kim came out
and Trish knocked her down on the apron with a kick and then she went to the ring
apron and knocked Gail down to the arena floor with a shoulder block. Trish went
to the top rope for a cross body but missed it and Molly pinned Trish for a two
count but Gail Kim pulled Molly off of Trish and then hammered away on her, causing
the referee to end the match in a disqualification. Molly and Gail Kim fought until
WWE officials broke it up.

Maybe they thought if you defended 3x in a month it means you don't have to defend for 3 months?
opinions on the women's champions 773246 They should use that excuse. She took her one month title defenses in a lump sum.. opinions on the women's champions 11357

That was the last title defense until Survivor Series so I guess it was like 2 and 1/2 months.. At least she had a # 1 contender named on 10/27/03.. And then got to defend the belt every month I think.
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 7:36 pm

That was the point of it, she was a chicken shit heel, who thought she was all that and defended it when only needed, i really loved it.
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 7:40 pm

Well they never said anything about that but it isn't that big of a deal. It is in the past and she deserved a long reign I just wish she defended it more on PPV.
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 7:43 pm

i dont see how she was a chicken shit heel....i saw her more as a cocky arrogant "im better then you all" heel
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 7:47 pm

I loved Molly's title run. I wish Lita got it at SS but I was happy with Molly retaining too. Molly was an amazing champion.

That was a great time in the womens divison.
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 8:11 pm

The LL Father wrote:
i dont see how she was a chicken shit heel....i saw her more as a cocky arrogant "im better then you all" heel

Sh avoided every chance she got she escaped from a title match she did. She only defended it when her 30 days was coming up, which was koolaid
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 8:13 pm

well apart from September and October
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptySat 07 Aug 2010, 10:06 pm

How the hell do you even remember title reigns from fuckin' 12yrs ago?

Some of them shits were trash... just like many of today.
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptyTue 10 Aug 2010, 11:12 pm

The LL Father wrote:
i dont see how she was a chicken shit heel....i saw her more as a cocky arrogant "im better then you all" heel
That's how I saw her as lol
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PostSubject: Re: opinions on the women's champions   opinions on the women's champions EmptyWed 11 Aug 2010, 1:06 am

***I'm going to do the Divas Champions first because I don't want to do them all at once and this is easier for me:

Michelle -
She didn't defend for a while after getting it but was always active and later on did. Her reign was a good length which helped make the title seem credible.

Maryse -She was improving a lot and while I would have liked Victoria/Natalya to win next I was happy for her although her matches took a hit after she got injured and went to Raw.

Mickie - I was happy she won since Maryse was getting on my nerves but she only had 3 successful title defenses and the one with Gail was just horrible! opinions on the women's champions 478927 I loved the Beth defense though and at least her and Alicia got on PPV.

Jillian - Great while it lasted. Damn the writers for making Melina win.

Melina - Not the best because all she did was beat Jillian and Alicia in several bad matches but then she got injured so we'll never know what would have happened.

Maryse - WTF did she have to win that stupid ass tournament again? If they knew she was going to win all along why not just do a battle royal? Makes no sense and Gail should have won! opinions on the women's champions Icon_rolleyes At least it was short although if she won the week after Melina's injury she would have had a 4+ month reign.

Eve - I was glad that they gave her the chance to prove she could be champ. I was surprised she won since Maryse barely was champ but she had a couple defenses and lost to someone new which was good.

Alicia Fox -I was really surprised again that the champ was a brand new person. I was so expecting Maryse again or a defense by Eve but no Alicia got the spotlight which so far has been great. She has had a couple defenses but I just hope she is lucky come SummerSlam. Beat Melina's ass girl!
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