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Subject: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Mon 05 Oct 2009, 7:59 pm
Which wrestler has done the least...with the most talent? It may not be has fault...could be the booking...or he could just be lazy.
Discuss
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Mon 05 Oct 2009, 9:01 pm
Carlito, Shelton Benjamin at one time was said to be the laziest guy on the roster. TBK was also said to be lazy as well at one point
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Tue 06 Oct 2009, 10:44 pm
Yeah Shelton Benjamin, Jimmy Wang Yang, Carlito, and Tyler Reks
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Tue 06 Oct 2009, 10:50 pm
I will have to say Evan Bourne, MVP-I consider him one becasue he hasnt gotten the push he really deserves, Shelton, Charlie Haas.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 12:01 am
Tyler Reks? Ha, no.. he's too new.. and.. too.. not.. talented.
But I'd say TBK, Charlie Haas, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito.. maybe Gregory Helms. Aside from that cruiserweight run.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 12:42 pm
Done the least with most talent? I'd say Shelton Benjamin and Carlito. Both debuted in 2002 around the time Cena, Batista, and Orton debuted but yet both are still stuck in the midcard division? Fuck that! Both of them have more talent then those three combined.
The Miz, MVP, Morrison and others came after those two guys, YEARS AFTER! so I'm not going to worry about them yet.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 12:53 pm
They tried pushing Shelton. He has a fucking SUPER match with HBK four years ago. He was the top dawg on ECW for a while. But... Very few top stars have been able to get over with a stack of potatoes for charisma. Sorry, it's the truth.
They tried using Carlito. He was on the Mania 22 card in a tag team title match. He started bitching he deserved more, so they put him as Trish's boyfriend. He was still lazy even though most guys who never done a 4325643767865 degree splash would be pulling one of out of their ass if they got paired off with Trish. Fast forward a couple of years, still bitching and still uninteresting to watch his lazy ass.
I don't think Evan is an underachiever. He is still stupid over when it comes out on Raw, their live show. Sure, he hasn't gotten many pins on Raw.. But he doesn't need them with the way the crowd is responding to him. If anything, he doesn't fit well on Raw simple cuz there is too much going on that show.
I dunno.. I think Teddy Jr. is totally in the wrong position. That dude needs to be a face. Same with Dolph. However, I totally get that they are still YOUNG and they haven't been around for two years.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 1:05 pm
I think poor Scotty Goldman/ Colt Cabana was the ultimate underachiever. We know from ROH that he can wrestle, he is funny, and hes great on the mic. Too bad WWE didn't think so.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 1:16 pm
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They tried pushing Shelton. He has a fucking SUPER match with HBK four years ago. He was the top dawg on ECW for a while. But... Very few top stars have been able to get over with a stack of potatoes for charisma. Sorry, it's the truth.
They tried using Carlito. He was on the Mania 22 card in a tag team title match. He started bitching he deserved more, so they put him as Trish's boyfriend. He was still lazy even though most guys who never done a 4325643767865 degree splash would be pulling one of out of their ass if they got paired off with Trish. Fast forward a couple of years, still bitching and still uninteresting to watch his lazy ass.
I don't think Evan is an underachiever. He is still stupid over when it comes out on Raw, their live show. Sure, he hasn't gotten many pins on Raw.. But he doesn't need them with the way the crowd is responding to him. If anything, he doesn't fit well on Raw simple cuz there is too much going on that show.
I dunno.. I think Teddy Jr. is totally in the wrong position. That dude needs to be a face. Same with Dolph. However, I totally get that they are still YOUNG and they haven't been around for two years.
*I remember that fantastic match with Shawn Micheals too.. That's no excuse for stopping his push. Granted he sucks on the mic, nothing a valet can't fix. A manager that can do the speaking for him while he gets over in the process. See Brock Lesnar.
*Carlito is right to bitch, shocked he wasn't released tbh but once he wasn't. WWE should have given him what he deserved. He does get treated like crap and has more talent then half of the Main Eventers. PUSH HIM WWE!
*I agree Bourne does NOT fit on Raw, he should not have left ECW. He was doing fine for himself over there. On raw he is just "there" and losing every match is not helping him at all.
*Teddy will be face soon enough, Did you see the reaction he got when he faced Orton that one time? Great crowd reaction.
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I think poor Scotty Goldman/ Colt Cabana was the ultimate underachiever. We know from ROH that he can wrestle, he is funny, and hes great on the mic. Too bad WWE didn't think so.
I heard great things about him as well, pretty shocked he was released so suddenly.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 1:20 pm
So, why would they push a guy for FOUR YEARS if he isn't over or isn't going down on someone in the back?
And lol @ Carlito being talented. He couldn't even do the Razor promos right.. And Scotty ripped those off.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 1:23 pm
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So, why would they push a guy for FOUR YEARS if he isn't over or isn't going down on someone in the back?
And lol @ Carlito being talented. He couldn't even do the Razor promos right.. And Scotty ripped those off.
As I said, this is WWE's fault. Once Shelton started getting mic time they should have took notice THAT HE SUCKED and got his ass a valet that could speak.
Carlito is talented lol what promo are you talking about?
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 5:19 pm
a valet they or not. Shelton still woudlnt get over as sarcy said the only ppl getting pushed that arent over currently are michelle...and thats purely because shes going down on taker....or so most ppl say
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 5:41 pm
I agree with Sarcy and Blue, I dont think Evan fits on Raw either, I will have liked for him to go to Smackdown, though he was fine on ECW and they could have kept him there till next year.
I called Evan an underachiever only becasue he hasnt gotten any titles or any regintion, and he has all the talent in the world and it seems he hasnt gotten anything for it.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 6:45 pm
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a valet they or not. Shelton still woudlnt get over as sarcy said the only ppl getting pushed that arent over currently are michelle...and thats purely because shes going down on taker....or so most ppl say
How do you know that? No one knows that because he never had a valet.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 7:34 pm
valets/managers have been a dead art for too long now. only a select few in recent memory have been in any way shape or form a catalyst to their clients success, more so or equal to the client themselves
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 7:53 pm
Well yea if you are a pointless valet (Rosa Mendes and Layla)
But in recent years we had Melina, Paul Heyman, Natalya, Sharmell. All got their superstars over or are in the process (Natalya)
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 7:57 pm
Natalya is not the reason the HD are getting over, they themselves are the reason Sharmell certainly wasnt the reason Booker got over, he was over anyway.
so that leaves you with two decent valets in god knows how long.
as i said, dead art
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 8:05 pm
What good would it be to pair Shelton up with a diva? To prove he does have the worst mic skills on ECW? Besides, not many chicks these days have a decent listening voice, let alone being about to emote something. Out of all the Divas I have hear talk, not bullshitting, Layla is the only one who talks like she doesn't mind talking. She does not talk like she's nervous. She's all "HI I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE!". She does not talk like a man or tranny.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 8:07 pm
^ or look like one...in other divas cases
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 8:13 pm
I was trying to be nice!
But seriously, give up on Shelton. They made him a "top" star on a show that is like a tv channel away from being an OVW or FCW. That says alot.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 8:27 pm
I guess I'm the only one that still see's the good in him?
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 8:59 pm
^^I see good in Shelty. Hes an amazing athlete. His promo with Shemus on the Washington Show was funny.
I forget what he said but he had me rolling.
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 9:02 pm
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Well yea if you are a pointless valet (Rosa Mendes and Layla)
But in recent years we had Melina, Paul Heyman, Natalya, Sharmell. All got their superstars over or are in the process (Natalya)
Paul Heyman was a manager way before he got into WWE...he managed Austin and Undertaker in WCW
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Subject: Re: Biggest underachiever in the WWE? Wed 07 Oct 2009, 9:33 pm
This is the Segment I was talking about. Shelton had me rolling.