Controversial TNA Angle Features Man-On-Man Kiss (Spoiler)

Partial Source: Prowrestling.net

TNA newcomer Orlando Jordan kissed a man prior to his match with Samoa Joe at last night's iMPACT! taping in Orlando. The former WWE United States Champion was escorted to the ring by a man and a woman. He had his arms around both of them and kissed each prior to his match.

This reportedly didn't go over well with everyone backstage in TNA as some felt the company "crossed the line" as it were. One TNA performer offered the opinion that the angle will turn off viewers from Spike considering it's specifically geared towards men.

It's worth noting that before Jordan's release from World Wrestling Entertainment in May 2006, there were creative plans for him to be repackaged with a bisexual gimmick in a storyline involving former TNA performer Stephanie Finochio (a/k/a Trinity) and a friend of his with no prior background in the wrestling industry. While bisexuality is considered taboo in some wrestling circles, it was passed for Jordan since it's his lifestyle in the real world. It should be noted that the storyline was Jordan's idea because creative had no plans for him at the time.

oh dude...no thanks..

this would have been ok, if orlando Jordan was actually good looking, he's like butt ugly

KiwiKevin wrote:

this would have been ok, if orlando Jordan was actually good looking, he's like butt ugly

yeah i dont wanna see him liplocking another dude..

LMFAO @ TNA trying "cross the line," but failing. lol

TNA = trying to ripoff WWE every single fucking day

No need to even mention that.

LOL I got to see this.

"Oh Noes! Two men are kissing! What will Spike TV do?!"

Yeah, Spike TV; the same network that had no problem with showing a dude getting blown by a transsexual will surely have a problem with this.

Lauren wrote:

"Oh Noes! Two men are kissing! What will Spike TV do?!"

Yeah, Spike TV; the same network that had no problem with showing a dude getting blown by a transsexual will surely have a problem with this.

This happened on Raw when they were on Spike?

Forget the fact that the guy was getting blown by a TS, how about the fact that he was on television getting head period. lmfao.

me dad reel mad bout this. say it ruin monday wars for him we was gona has peples over celsbrate mondays wars but he so mad he sayin not now. i hopes thay not relly airs that

I hope not either, Nitro.

lol Nitro.

Fuckin' disgusting. Keep the personal life out of the business, for fuck's sake.

I've seen far more disgusting crap on that dumb ass Blue Mountain State show, so a kiss between two consenting adult men seems pretty mild in comparison.


God I fucking hate Blue Mountain State.

at least Blue Mountain State isn't real. OJ's personal life very much is and needs to stay private

Lauren wrote:

I've seen far more disgusting crap on that dumb ass Blue Mountain State show, so a kiss between two consenting adult men seems pretty mild in comparison.


God I fucking hate Blue Mountain State.

its a angle that was supposed to happen in WWE, mind you, while it was still TV-14 and it got scrapped and he got released. what makes you think its gonna work in TNA regardless of what network its on?

Jordan Harvey Version 1.0 wrote:

Fuckin' disgusting.

What's disgusting, exactly? The act, or Orlando Jordon. Cuz I'll agree with the latter.

If wrestlers aren't suppose to bring their personal life into the ring, then damn that Savage for bringing his real life marriage to Miss Elizabeth into an angle, Rey for bringing his son into an angle, Eddie for bringing his wife into an angle, Undertaker for bringing Sara into an angle, HHH and Stephanie for bringing their marriage into an angle, Matt Hardy and Lita for bringing their relationship and breakup into an angle, Legacy for bringing their parents into angles...you know I'm just going to give up right now, I made my point; wrestlers just loving bringing their personal lives into angles.

^ you mean MANAGEMENT love to bring wrestlers' personal lives into business because they didn't have choice with all of those that you stated?

CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:

its a angle that was supposed to happen in WWE, mind you, while it was still TV-14 and it got scrapped and he got released. what makes you think its gonna work in TNA regardless of what network its on?

I was pointing out the stupidity of everyone in TNA and Spike making a fuss over this angle being "controversial" because of a guy on guy kiss, when a Spike TV program that follows TNA shows far more disgusting things.

Lauren wrote:

CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:

its a angle that was supposed to happen in WWE, mind you, while it was still TV-14 and it got scrapped and he got released. what makes you think its gonna work in TNA regardless of what network its on?

I was pointing out the stupidity of everyone in TNA and Spike making a fuss over this angle being "controversial" because of a guy on guy kiss, when a Spike TV program that follows TNA shows far more disgusting things.

to be fair, the shows like that are on at this time of night...so theres no one to complain about it

Jordan Harvey Version 1.0 wrote:

^ you mean MANAGEMENT love to bring wrestlers' personal lives into business because they didn't have choice with all of those that you stated?

HHH and Stephanie are management, they have more of a choice than anyone. Steph once stated how she shot down an angle that Vince pitched to her about Shane or himself being the father her unborn daughter; if she can shoot down that angle, she can say no way to bringing her marriage up in a storyline.

A man on man kiss isn't disgusting at all.

That's because bisexual/lesbian women and men aren't their demographic, Lauren

Lauren wrote:

Jordan Harvey Version 1.0 wrote:

^ you mean MANAGEMENT love to bring wrestlers' personal lives into business because they didn't have choice with all of those that you stated?

HHH and Stephanie are management, they have more of a choice than anyone. Steph once stated how she shot down an angle that Vince pitched to her about Shane or himself being the father her unborn daughter; if she can shoot down that angle, she can say no way to bringing her marriage up in a storyline.

Not everyone is management or a McMahon for that matter. They have a choice, the rest didn't.

Silver_Coyote wrote:

A man on man kiss isn't disgusting at all.

if thats your cup of tea, by all means go for it. as long as i dont have to see it

I understand if it isn't your cup of tea, but don't call it disgusting. Two people who love each other kissing isn't disgusting.

What in the fuck does that have to do with the news at hand?

Silver_Coyote wrote:

I understand if it isn't your cup of tea, but don't call it disgusting. Two people who love each other kissing isn't disgusting.

i didnt say it was, lol. all i said is go for it as long as i dont have to witness it

Without sounding ignorant, why don't you want to witness it?

Silver_Coyote wrote:

Without sounding ignorant, why don't you want to witness it?

its not something id be interested in seeing, to be honest with you

frankly, it's none of my business what the hell he does in his life, that's why

Jordan Harvey Version 1.0 wrote:

Not everyone is management or a McMahon for that matter. They have a choice, the rest didn't.

Or the rest could refuse to do the angle or ask if they WWE would be willing to hire actresses/actors to play love ones because they value their privacy too much to force their love one into an angle on national television.

Not everyone is friendly enough with Vince or financially stable enough to do that and what does that have to do with Orlando?

So wrestlers have no choice in having their private life splashed across national television by management, but they should keep their private life away from you because it's none of your business?

Lauren wrote:

So wrestlers have no choice in having their private life splashed across national television by management, but they should keep their private life away from you because it's none of your business?

they have the right to veto a angle if they dont like it. the Lita angle, she wanted no part of it and they had her do it anyway. at any point she coulda said NO but she didnt because she thought it was good for business. bringing real life situations into the wrestling world is NOT good for business

lets get this back on topic about Orlando Jordan

There's not much more to discuss.

Lauren wrote:

So wrestlers have no choice in having their private life splashed across national television by management, but they should keep their private life away from you because it's none of your business?

If they can help it, yes, exactly. I and other fans don't ask to see these guys' personal lives, we just care about the wrestling aspect....well, the sensible ones at least. As amusing as all those angles you mentioned were, I ultimately wouldn't have wanted to see them if I had the choice. OJ has the choice that others didn't and he goes the Vince McMahon way, which is pathetic.

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Lauren wrote:

to be fair, the shows like that are on at this time of night...so theres no one to complain about it

The new episodes are shown at 10 and does show characters either engaged in homoerotic behavior or sex acts with people of the same gender. The most recent episode featured the men on the show sexually groping an armless girl for fun because they knew she couldn't fight them off. So technically, showing sexual assault of a handicapped person during Primetime is a-okay to Spike TV; but two consenting men kissing is crossing the line.

The latter was done for dark comedy for their targetted audience and it's NOT REAL. OJ's 'gimmick' IS. Major difference. what's the point of getting mad over it? People have the right of not seeing one's personal life shown on their tv screens. What's okay with some, won't be okay with others. Simple logic.

Jordan Harvey Version 1.0 wrote:

Not everyone is friendly enough with Vince or financially stable enough to do that and what does that have to do with Orlando?

Small recap: You said that Jordon should keep his private life private, I point out that wrestlers don't keep their private life private and are more than willing to bring wives, parents, and children into the ring to get an angle over...hell, they would bring in the family dog too as Trips and Steph did. You said that they had no choice, I pointed out that they do have a choice, and as of now you're saying that they don't. Now here comes the part when I say, "Yeah they do, many people have brought their personal relationships into the ring for angles. The only reason people are so upset is because it's two dudes kissing and for some odd reason it makes straight dudes feel funny to see two guys kissing."

Lauren wrote:

I point out that wrestlers don't keep their private life private and are more than willing to bring wives, parents, and children into the ring to get an angle over...hell, they would bring in the family dog too as Trips and Steph did.

ill state it again, that most are NOT...i repeat to you...NOT willing to do it, but they do it anyway for the sake of keeping their job. not everyone is just so willing to bring their families into work as you so want to believe. there was a angle that TNA was gonna do that had Jarrett going against Angle...and who was gonna be at the forefront for Jarrett? Karen Angle...just how happy do you think Kurt would be during this angle? exactly

Jordan Harvey Version 1.0 wrote:

The latter was done for dark comedy for their targetted audience and it's NOT REAL. OJ's 'gimmick' IS. Major difference. what's the point of getting mad over it? People have the right of not seeing one's personal life shown on their tv screens. What's okay with some, won't be okay with others. Simple logic.

I'm not getting mad about it, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the entire fuss over the angle. Let me ask you this, if Orlando Jordan was not bisexual, but lived a "plural" relationship with two women and decided to make his gimmick; would there be the same fuss that is going on about how Jordan should keep his private life private, or would the fans ignore this controversial gimmick because it doesn't feature a man's bisexuality?

I said the WWE guys didn't. Same rules don't apply to TNA because Vince McMahon doesn't run it yet. HHH and Stephanie like I said BEFORE, are exceptions because they RUN the company and can do whatever they want. You keep saying many people bring their lives in the ring. Many of them didnt have choice. They would either get fired like Krystal or demoted down the roster like Owen Hart. Orlando PUSHES for his personal life to be televised which is NOT cool at all because it is pure self-exploitation 1 and 2, not many people are down with his personal life, sorry that's how it is. With the straight guys/bigotry aspect, you are going to have to find proof on that one. That's purely emotional and not logical.

And you know, you're propably right with the example you made in that last post. let's face it, Spike isn't the most homosexually-geared network in cable. Their audience has the right to state what they want and don't want to see. You got to just accept it. If not, it's too easy to click a button and turn the channel.

CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:

ill state it again, that most are NOT...i repeat to you...NOT willing to do it, but they do it anyway for the sake of keeping their job. not everyone is just so willing to bring their families into work as you so want to believe. there was a angle that TNA was gonna do that had Jarrett going against Angle...and who was gonna be at the forefront for Jarrett? Karen Angle...just how happy do you think Kurt would be during this angle? exactly

First off, don't tell me what I want to believe. Until you crawl around in my cranium, read my diary, or I state to you what I believe; you don't know what's going on in this head of mine, so don't be so bold as to assume you know what I believe and I don't believe.

Second, you act as if these people have no choice in this matter when all it takes is saying, "No I don't feel comfortable doing that." better yet, tell management to hire actors since your significant other has the acting skills of a tree trunk with the voice of alley cat in heat. It would be the route I would take since I value my family's privacy too much to thrust them into an angle on national television that would subject them to worldwide ridicule and criticism; if I got fired for it, so be it. Angle has more than enough clout to shoot down such a controversial angle, which is why I'm sure it's being referred to in the past tense.

Lauren wrote:

CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:

ill state it again, that most are NOT...i repeat to you...NOT willing to do it, but they do it anyway for the sake of keeping their job. not everyone is just so willing to bring their families into work as you so want to believe. there was a angle that TNA was gonna do that had Jarrett going against Angle...and who was gonna be at the forefront for Jarrett? Karen Angle...just how happy do you think Kurt would be during this angle? exactly

First off, don't tell me what I want to believe. Until you crawl around in my cranium, read my diary, or I state to you what I believe; you don't know what's going on in this head of mine, so don't be so bold as to assume you know what I believe and I don't believe.

Second, you act as if these people have no choice in this matter when all it takes is saying, "No I don't feel comfortable doing that." better yet, tell management to hire actors since your significant other has the acting skills of a tree trunk with the voice of alley cat in heat. It would be the route I would take since I value my family's privacy too much to thrust them into an angle on national television that would subject them to worldwide ridicule and criticism; if I got fired for it, so be it. Angle has more than enough clout to shoot down such a controversial angle, which is why I'm sure it's being referred to in the past tense.

you just used the same argument i did, thank you. you proved my point

ill quote the post i made earlier about this

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they have the right to veto a angle if they dont like it. the Lita angle, she wanted no part of it and they had her do it anyway. at any point she coulda said NO but she didnt because she thought it was good for business. bringing real life situations into the wrestling world is NOT good for business

there you go

Jordan Harvey Version 1.0 wrote:

I said the WWE guys didn't. Same rules don't apply to TNA because Vince McMahon doesn't run it yet. HHH and Stephanie like I said BEFORE, are exceptions because they RUN the company and can do whatever they want. You keep saying many people bring their lives in the ring. Many of them didnt have choice. They would either get fired like Krystal or demoted down the roster like Owen Hart. Orlando PUSHES for his personal life to be televised which is NOT cool at all because it is pure self-exploitation 1 and 2, not many people are down with his personal life, sorry that's how it is. With the straight guys/bigotry aspect, you are going to have to find proof on that one. That's purely emotional and not logical.

And you know, you're propably right with the example you made in that last post. let's face it, Spike isn't the most homosexually-geared network in cable. Their audience has the right to state what they want and don't want to see. You got to just accept it. If not, it's too easy to click a button and turn the channel.

Krystal wasn't fired for not bringing her personal life into the ring, it was a combination of her refusal to work a slut angle with Edge and Bobby Lashley holding out for more money from management; since management is run by the Plastics from mean girls, they pretty much let her go. Owen was demoted after the Montreal incident when his brother and the rest of the Harts left WWF for WCW while Owen stayed due to his contract with the WWF and I'm pretty sure that his family jumping ship didn't endear him to management; so this is more or less two cases of professional lives suffering because of personal matters and not one of refusing to bring private lives into the ring.

I'll give you the self-exploitative argument, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people would agree with that; but I maintain my argument that such an angle really doesn't deserve the controversy that it's given when it's pretty mild compared to the other television shows that are on Spike TV in the same time frame and the fact that it's on TNA which has done far more controversial things in the past.

Oh and I've changed to channel from Spike TV, unless Star Wars or TNA is on; I don't even watch. They've become as bad as Lifetime.

Debating two people at once, yeah, I still got it.

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Spike isn't the most homosexually-geared network in cable. Their audience has the right to state what they want and don't want to see. You got to just accept it.

And there's your answer to your whole 'why does people blah blah blah' thing that you started in the first place from a post I made.....over two hours ago...

And there's no victory in debating in hours on end on the Internet for any of us

And here's my response to your post two hours after I made my last argument.

There's a whole lot of fuss over something that is done on a network that shows worse and I don't see how the Orlando Jordan kiss is any worse than seeing the kid who play Cyborg on Smallville get a blowjob from Juwanna Mann. My entire point, there should be no controversy.

As for this debate, I don't mind doing it; but on the right forum, there's a whole lot of fun in debating the current subject matter if it's done in a polite manner, plus it's much better to do it here than resorting to youtube arguments that resemble this:

Cena sux

he rulz, ur just jellous

ur gay u want 2 sux cenas dik.

And while there are no victors, if done right you can see both sides to each argument; even if in the end you don't change the other person's mind.