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Angelus WD Stalker
Number of posts : 11345 Registration date : 2008-08-24
| Subject: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 1:08 am | |
| WWE Death of the Wrestling.
Many people will reference the Attitude era as one of the greatest points of wrestling and sadly they would be wrong. Much like even in the 80's when Hulk Hogan came along it was the death of professional wrestling that followed with a idea that came full circle in the attitude era. Over the eyars we learned that many things are recycled. I am sure attitude fans don't want to admit it but really the death of wrestling came in the peak of the attitude era.
Let's start with Women's Wrestling in the 80's there was many very talented women wrestlers who got over purely based on wrestling talent and they were nice looking they didn't have to be models. As we went into the Attitude Era that changed everything we went for when the woman title cameback. We turned to a age of puppies and exploiting looks. We went from women like Sheri,Moolah,Mae Young to women who had more plastic surgery and boobjobs then wrestling talent. We had Sunny who was drug addict with a problem who had a nice look and Sable who was sleeping around backstage with Marc Mero and eventually caught on with a job cause she looked good for the camera. We went to likes of Debra who had no talent in WCW but to look pretty cause she was Steve McMicheals wife she was brought on. This began the explot of more models over people who worked hard to be a wrestler. Trish Stratus who was posseing on fitness magazines and doing video decided to Capitalize on her look during this Era too. Lita who was actually willing to train decided she needed to get a boobjob while she was in ecw to get more attention to make it the big scene of WWE. Many people say the Attitude Era brought great thing to wrestling but now we are suffering through models who struggle in the ring and can't do some of the easiest moves right because the Attitude Era began the push of model and looks over talent.
If you choose to look for more proof we can continue on with Hulk Hogan who got to overshine better technical wrestler who was far more greater in the ring in the macho man Randy Savage. Sure Savage got his title runs and we were lucky to see them but Randy Savage and Ricky Steamboat put on some of the best matches in the world your left to wonder why Steamboat never got a well earned world title run or even Ted Dibaise. It was the beginning of the Entertainer replacing the wrestler. The Wrestlers who use to work in the 70's and early 80's were focused on putting on a good match and getting every little thing right because by doing all the little things right it meant being booked more and getting more money. Taking pride in a craft and a job sadly this all too began to go down hill in the attitude era. We can look no further then too of the biggest stars of the attitude era who honestly were the same thing as Hulk Hogan and even this PG Era's John Cena. We all complain about the five or six move of doom from Cena. But did we not get the same from the Rock hitting his lay the smackdown punches,his clothesline,DDT,Rockbottom,and people's elbow the match was over. What about Stonecold with the Lou Thes Press,stomping a mudhole in people,The Stonecold stunner. Yes these two were great entertainers and could work a mic great and the fans could relate to them but it also began to show the line Hogan effect.
Over the years it showed you didn't need as much talent based in ring skills more then you needed a look,to work the mic,and only needed a shortlist moveset. So for all the fans who will point to the Divas being this certain way and having divas with talent overlooked ofr the next playboy model and the people who want to bury John Cena and wish for the attitude era back. We only have ourselves to blame for a monster we caused as we decided to put lesser focus on in ring ablity. We have given Vince McMahon what we thought we loved and praise as the greatest time the attitude era to wipeout the craft of taking more pride in wrestling ablity and instead put more focus on look with shortlist moveset.
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| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 1:10 am | |
| Its called paragraphs dude lol. | |
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The Sexy Vixen Billion Dolla Princess
Number of posts : 28940 Age : 37 Location : The Negaverse, OH Job/hobbies : Daycare. I adore children. Favorite WWE Wrestler : Triple H, Orton, MVP, John Morrison, Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, Yoshi Tatsu, Zack Ryder Favorite WWE Diva : Stephanie McMahon, Maryse, Mickie James, Layla, Natalya, Beth, Michelle McCool, Katie Lea, Kelly Kelly, Nikki Bella, Rosa Mendes (Victoria and Lita are my all-time faves) Favorite TNA Wrestler : Jeff Jarrett, D'Angelo Dinero, MCMG, James Storm, AJ Styles, Amazing Red, Kiyoshi, Matt Morgan, Hernandez, Samoa Joe, Desmond Wolfe, Jeff Hardy, Kevin Nash Favorite TNA Knockout : ODB, Christy Hemme, Jacqueline, Tara, Hamada, Daffney, Lacey Von Erich, Registration date : 2009-03-23
| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 1:12 am | |
| very nicely written, CP and pretty much true.
It's sad that these days looks goes over talent and on top of that you have too many "old guys" who refuse to hang it up, which holds the young guys down as they dont get enough match or tv time. Then they get lost in the shuffle and eventually released. | |
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Paul Wyatt NCD aka Name Changing Dude
Number of posts : 18569 Age : 37 Location : Inside of my own mind Job/hobbies : Self-Improving Favorite WWE Wrestler : Antonio Cesaro
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| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 1:17 am | |
| Write a fucking book, shit! | |
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Angelus WD Stalker
Number of posts : 11345 Registration date : 2008-08-24
| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 1:37 am | |
| - XXX wrote:
- Its called paragraphs dude lol.
Does that help some? | |
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janine Melina's Barracudas
Number of posts : 5827 Age : 42 Location : In Bed with Adam Copeland and Ken Kennedy Job/hobbies : Animals, Wrestling, Country Music Favorite WWE Wrestler : Edge
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They keep getting rid of the good ones. :x Registration date : 2009-03-27
| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 1:43 am | |
| That was amazing. This time I will have to agree.
What gets me is people(no one on here, but I have seen a lot of this) complain about the womens divison, but these same people support crap like the diva search and PB and talent being overlooked for girls who simply look good.
I feel it is mostly the fans fault we get the crap we get today, not just the womens divison but also with the men. The more fans cheer for models, PB, Puppies, ect the more WWE is going to think that is what we want and give it to us.
If fans want to complain about it, dont cheer for it.
Theres nothing wrong with supporting the models AND the ones with talent, its when people only support the good looking girls and complain about not having a good divison. I feel to have a truley good divison you gotta have the TALENT.
I guess the fans or WWE Universe should be the ones looking in the mirror.
Well put CP. Have you thought of writing for sites like the bleacherreport? | |
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Paul Wyatt NCD aka Name Changing Dude
Number of posts : 18569 Age : 37 Location : Inside of my own mind Job/hobbies : Self-Improving Favorite WWE Wrestler : Antonio Cesaro
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| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 1:45 am | |
| I hope you know I was fuckin' with you... though that was some pretty long shit. | |
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Angelus WD Stalker
Number of posts : 11345 Registration date : 2008-08-24
| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 1:48 am | |
| - Chynese American wrote:
- I hope you know I was fuckin' with you... though that was some pretty long shit.
But I was counting on you buying my 1st autograph book. | |
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Angelus WD Stalker
Number of posts : 11345 Registration date : 2008-08-24
| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 1:51 am | |
| - janine wrote:
- That was amazing. This time I will have to agree.
What gets me is people(no one on here, but I have seen a lot of this) complain about the womens divison, but these same people support crap like the diva search and PB and talent being overlooked for girls who simply look good.
I feel it is mostly the fans fault we get the crap we get today, not just the womens divison but also with the men. The more fans cheer for models, PB, Puppies, ect the more WWE is going to think that is what we want and give it to us.
If fans want to complain about it, dont cheer for it.
Theres nothing wrong with supporting the models AND the ones with talent, its when people only support the good looking girls and complain about not having a good divison. I feel to have a truley good divison you gotta have the TALENT.
I guess the fans or WWE Universe should be the ones looking in the mirror.
Well put CP. Have you thought of writing for sites like the bleacherreport? When I was in my teens I used to write poetry and got invited to contest for the chance to get into books. I consider going after a writing career but don't think about it alot cause I just like to write and not put too much info on the structured idea that most writing places demand. | |
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Paul Wyatt NCD aka Name Changing Dude
Number of posts : 18569 Age : 37 Location : Inside of my own mind Job/hobbies : Self-Improving Favorite WWE Wrestler : Antonio Cesaro
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| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 2:01 am | |
| I'm with you in that book. I used to like to write a lot morewhen I was in my teens and I had had small consideration of being a writer... not really my thing. I'll piece together something once in a blue if I have something on the brain. | |
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Jordan H. The Nexus
Number of posts : 4884 Age : 34 Location : CHEYEAH! Job/hobbies : CHEYEAH! Favorite WWE Wrestler : John Cena Favorite WWE Diva : Kaitlyn Favorite TNA Wrestler : Bobby Roode and/or James Storm Registration date : 2009-08-10
| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 3:07 am | |
| If I remember correctly, the Attitude Era wasn't what destroyed wrestling, matter of fact it was the MOST PROFITABLE era of wrestling ever. What killed 'wrestling' was that Linda decided to run for a government office, otherwise WWE will still be the way it was five years ago. Wrestling isn't dead, there are plenty of promotions still out there and just because WWE puts on a kid-oriented product now doesn't mean the industry is dead, Vinny Mac isn't the god of the business just a major part of it. WWE is still profitable, WWE still sell out arenas, WWE still get ratings. The only thing you dislike is that it isn't for you anymore.
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Angelus WD Stalker
Number of posts : 11345 Registration date : 2008-08-24
| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 3:19 am | |
| - Jordan H. (w/Bones) wrote:
- If I remember correctly, the Attitude Era wasn't what destroyed wrestling, matter of fact it was the MOST PROFITABLE era of wrestling ever. What killed 'wrestling' was that Linda decided to run for a government office, otherwise WWE will still be the way it was five years ago. Wrestling isn't dead, there are plenty of promotions still out there and just because WWE puts on a kid-oriented product now doesn't mean the industry is dead, Vinny Mac isn't the god of the business just a major part of it. WWE is still profitable, WWE still sell out arenas, WWE still get ratings. The only thing you dislike is that it isn't for you anymore.
Honestly The PG Era don't bother me much at all. I mean sure things could be better but that's the same in every era really. Actually I am more critical of the fan view that says we dislike cena for not having a expanded moveset but yet praised wrestlers in the past who were really in the same area. That we say diva wrestling was better back in the attitude era when it seemed a boobjob got you a title run over talent. I ain't talkin about profit I am talkin about overall talent. That seems to be now looked over for the entertainer side that the attitude era made popular that didn't put much focus on wrestling in ring skills. | |
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Jordan H. The Nexus
Number of posts : 4884 Age : 34 Location : CHEYEAH! Job/hobbies : CHEYEAH! Favorite WWE Wrestler : John Cena Favorite WWE Diva : Kaitlyn Favorite TNA Wrestler : Bobby Roode and/or James Storm Registration date : 2009-08-10
| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 3:32 am | |
| Because back in the WOMEN'S Division in the AE, they still had excellent performers to hold them together besides the typical eye candy of the era like Kat, Terri, etc. They needed the Ivory's and Lita's and Trishes, and Jackie's and Molly's to keep it fluid. They don't run the division the same way anymore, because once again, because of LINDA. They just took what they did previously and made it kid-friendly, it's still the same Division. Just the workers are put further down the toilet and the glitzy bitches don't take their clothes off anymore.
The Attitude Era had an emphasis on angles but there was just a much emphasis on in-ring work, some of WWE's best matches were in that time period. Matter of fact, Chris Benoit, I don't care what you think about him personally, made his name in the company in that era for being a vicious TECHNICAL beast.
Rock, as Rocky Maivia, had a wide variety of moves but when he became the Rock, he simplified them down to fit his gimmick. Same with Stone Cold, Austin could wrestle besides the brawling shit, but it got reduced down to fit his gimmick. Cena gets a lot of shit because what he does is ALL HE DOES. There's a difference. | |
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X Ultimate Opportunist
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| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 3:45 am | |
| Wrestling was best from 2000-5 IMO. | |
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The LL Father THEE LaylaLover
Number of posts : 18234 Age : 33 Location : My Own Little World Job/hobbies : Sleeping and Drinking Favorite WWE Wrestler : Kane
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| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 8:22 am | |
| ppl keep banging on about the AE era having talented female performers to hold shit down when the only talented ones they had where Jackie and Ivory and Luna...Lita was alright, and Molly didnt start in WWE til end of 2000.
thats not provin a lot. because todays devision has just as many talented performers on the roster. Gail, Beth, Nattie, Jillian, Serena, Melina and Michelle are all very capable of putting on good matches and carrying models to decent ones. | |
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Dead The Sports Guy
Number of posts : 31046 Age : 39 Location : Maryland Registration date : 2008-08-19
| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 2:42 pm | |
| he meant there werent models back in the day wrestling | |
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The LL Father THEE LaylaLover
Number of posts : 18234 Age : 33 Location : My Own Little World Job/hobbies : Sleeping and Drinking Favorite WWE Wrestler : Kane
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| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 5:22 pm | |
| oh oh right. gotcha yeah your right they had some matches but yeh they werent pushed as wrestlers | |
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Paul Wyatt NCD aka Name Changing Dude
Number of posts : 18569 Age : 37 Location : Inside of my own mind Job/hobbies : Self-Improving Favorite WWE Wrestler : Antonio Cesaro
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| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 9:46 pm | |
| Both CP and Jordan make good points. | |
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__KiLLeR__ Midcarder
Number of posts : 417 Age : 35 Location : New York City Registration date : 2008-09-05
| Subject: Re: WWE Death Of Wrestling by Cp Munk Sun 22 Aug 2010, 11:07 pm | |
| I gotta Say wat CP Said is pretty much true :| | |
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