WWE Viewpoint On Women's Wrestlers vs. Models

-- The general viewpoint among people in WWE is that there are two types of women who join the sports-entertainment organization. There are models who use the company as a stepping stone toward fame due to its substantial television presence. And then there are those who truly love wrestling, with Beth Phoenix and Natalya being the prime examples. However, it is said that the girls who perform for the love of the sport get easily frustrated because there is no reward for being talented in the ring, not to mention that they receive minimal television time to showcase their abilities. The model types are willing to wrestle for a few years, with the hope it leads to a break in the entertainment world, and bolt once they start attracting offers.

The funny thing is they view em this way, yet they keep pushing the models and bitch when they do outside appearences.

They just figured this out now?.I don't really mind model type wrestlers because its been going on for YEARS this isn't new and its how WWE Works.For An Example You had a Victoria an Actual female wrestler then you had A Stacy Keblier a model who is only gonna wrestle for a few years and leave to fame they both left and now look what happen one is in TNA Still wrestling and one is a girlfriend to an famous celeb.Atleast some are being honest and there never really IN the way when it came down to it you knew they was never gonna go over some female wrestlers but they were there for other reasons besides wrestling it got the Divas Divison talking and looking.If it was an all female wrestlers group then you pretty much know what to expect when it's models you wanted to watch them grow and see how they would do with the other girls.It worked for Trish who I feel was both.Having A Few T&A girls ain't that Big of a deal to me as long as there not in the way.Plus does second generation superstars count as well?

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They just figured this out now?

I've suspected, for years, that many of these "reports" from the dirt sheets are just their writers speculating and guessing just like we do. Notice that they're always "reporting" about what future storylines are going to be, then, when they don't happen, they do a follow-up "report" saying that "plans changed."

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I don't really mind model type wrestlers because its been going on for YEARS this isn't new and its how WWE Works.For An Example You had a Victoria an Actual female wrestler then you had A Stacy Keblier a model who is only gonna wrestle for a few years and leave to fame they both left and now look what happen one is in TNA Still wrestling and one is a girlfriend to an famous celeb.Atleast some are being honest and there never really IN the way when it came down to it you knew they was never gonna go over some female wrestlers but they were there for other reasons besides wrestling it got the Divas Divison talking and looking.If it was an all female wrestlers group then you pretty much know what to expect when it's models you wanted to watch them grow and see how they would do with the other girls.It worked for Trish who I feel was both.Having A Few T&A girls ain't that Big of a deal to me as long as there not in the way.Plus does second generation superstars count as well?

Why does everybody forget that Victoria was a fitness model with no wrestling experience prior to being signed by the WWF? It was even the basis of her classic feud with Trish...

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They signed Victoria, put her on TV for a while, then sent her down to OVW to train. If that's being a pro wrestler who worked her way up through the indies, then so was Kelly Kelly, since that was her career path, too.

But, there's a huge difference (literally) between the Trish & Victoria types and the others. People need to remember that fitness models and lingerie/swimsuit/figure models aren't one and the same. Compare fitness model Torrie & lingerie model Kelly: Same basic look and body type (to the point they obviously modeled Kelly on Torrie, right down to the stinkface), but Torrie was 25 lbs heavier than Kelly due to her muscle.

Fitness models are all about muscle and conditioning. That's what they're selling. So, they have a big advantage, coming in, with the level of bumps and hits they can take and deliver, and what they can physically do. Yesterday, Diva-Dirt featured, in their "This day in history" segment, a title match from 2009 between Mickie & Alicia that included a botched Mickie-DDT, because Alicia, while very athletic, just didn't have the strength to scoop Mickie up. And Mickie was lighter than Trish, Lita, Torrie, Candice, etc.

There's also motivation to consider. Trish & Victoria weren't found by thumbing through catalogs. Trish was the co-host of Live Audio Wrestling, which frequently had guests from WWF, WCW, & ECW. Folks from all three companies noticed this muscular hottie knew her stuff, and thought she should be doing it instead of just on the radio talking about it. Victoria, who knew Trish & Torrie and was a pro wrestling fan, sought the company out. Those two were fans who got promoted, basically.

That's not to say that some of the model model types don't develop a passion for the business while they're there. Take Christy, Candice, & Maria, for example. Christy & Candice only stopped because of career ending injuries, and Maria stayed in the business because she loves it.

There's a BIG Diffrence in Kelly being in OVW than Victoria being in OVW.Kelly was only In OVW for only a few weeks and had ONE match were she didn't do anything at all.Victoria was there for months.Heres the thing with Fitness Models They LOOK like wrestlers that doesn't mean they are one.So would you prefer WWE to just keep signing fitness models they do look like wrestlers so they should automatically be one???

KellyKellyFan4Life!! wrote:

Victoria was there for months.Heres the thing with Fitness Models They LOOK like wrestlers that doesn't mean they are one.So would you prefer WWE to just keep signing fitness models they do look like wrestlers so they should automatically be one???

Again, it's more than just the look, but the strength and conditioning that gives the fitness models an advantage. Trish did her first table spot a month after her debut. They can just plain physically do more, right off the bat. That doesn't automatically mean they'll develop into great wrestlers, but it hugely increases the odds compared to lingerie/swimsuit/figure models without the strength and conditioning.

The proof is in the pudding. Jim Ross built the Women's Division with a combination in indie women and fitness models. The result was the Golden Era of Divas. Johnny Ace scouted Divas by thumbing through swimsuit and lingerie catalogs. The result was the slow, steady, decline of the Division.

We know which formula works and which doesn't, because we've seen the results of both.

Yeah but why can't we just have both?.Whats wrong with a bikini model being signed and train to wrestle when we all should know at this point there not gonna continue wrestling after there done with WWE.The "Golden Erra" wasn't all THAT prefect there were models there at the time to and remember Stacy Keibler was supposed to win the Women's Title.The Good part of that Erra was there wasn't THAT many bikini models but ALOT of fitness models at that time and also with the brands come into to play the less talent ones were on SD while the more experience and popular ones were on Raw.Also does Debra and The Kat winning the Women's title part of the golden Erra as well??

You know better than that. The Golden Era ran from Jazz's debut through the exits of Trish & Lita (depending on how you count 2007, which was still very solid with the Division built around Mickie, Melina, Beth, & Candice, but not as popular as it was, before).

And nothing wrong with pure eye candy, as long as it's not holding the Championship and being the center of the Division. The Division is part of the Diva brand, but not every Diva belongs in the Division. If pure eye candy can develop into a great wrestler, fine. Just don't put the gold on her until she actually can work a great match.

I'm not being a "purist" about it, BTW. From a pure business perspective, the Golden Era was when the Divas were making a lot of money for the company. During the Bathroom Break Era, they're not making much of anything for the company.

lol "bathroom break era"

There's really no time frame of when the golden era started and when it actually end.I personally think the "Golden Era" started way back in the attitude era when sable and Luna was around and the rebirth of the women's title.Trish,Lita,Stacy,Torrie were more part of the "Ruthless Aggression" era.

KellyKellyFan4Life!! wrote:

There's really no time frame of when the golden era started and when it actually end.I personally think the "Golden Era" started way back in the attitude era when sable and Luna was around and the rebirth of the women's title.Trish,Lita,Stacy,Torrie were more part of the "Ruthless Aggression" era.

Well, when most refer to the Golden Era, they're referring to the period that roughly coincided with the Ruthless Aggression Era, when it became a real Women's Division and moved from novelty to an upper card draw. Don't forget the Women's Championship had been gone for six months prior to Survivor Series 2001.

I wonder how long they've felt this and when people started expressing their feelings on the matter.

It's about time they address this. The Divas division would be so much better if they started focusing on those who are passionate about the sport and want to get better.

Now, I am definitely interested in what these supposed plans are to revitalize the division.

Models are booked prominently because they are marketable. That's my take on it. Models are marketable, they get put against skilled workers so that they don't look as bad in the ring.


Also, I noticed someone mentioned Candice retired cos of injury. She actually continued wrestling after that injury, but I think she has since retired due to starting a family.

That's what I think of models too.Torrie,Stacy,Kelly were all popular and were use on posters,commercials and other things.