WWE actually has alot of talented women

Everyone says the diva themselves are the actual problem with the WWE but when you look at the roster WWE has alot of talented women lets see...

Beth Phoenix
Natayla
Katie Lea
Jillian Hall
Michelle McCool
Gail Kim
Eve Torres
Mickie James
Melina
Serena Deeb

^all women who have good if not decent wrestling ability and pull off good matches

And then we have women who are at a ok level but still need plenty of work...

Layla
Alicia Fox
Bella Twins
Tiffany
Kelly Kelly
Maryse

And then there's women who are bascially hopeless...

Maria
Rosa Mendes

But WWE has talent granted some women have fallen threw the cracks like Maryse before her knee injury she substained at a houseshow from one of the bella twins i at least said she was at a decent level but now she just went downhill after that she sucks now sorry to her fans. Maria wrestling isn't for her.

and Rosa :blowup:


Alicia Fox is a good bumper and seller so that makes her perfect for jobbing and putting over opponents but although she might get better at wrestling.

Kelly Kelly has improved but reminds me of Torrie Wilson she might improve slightly but be nothing special and will always stay at the same level not really ever getting better or worse.

Tiffany seems like she is a slow learner but she's nowhere near bad but she has alot to learn and work on to improve but i think she has what it takes.

Bella Twins I feel like have potentail and could go far but i don't know how far they can go with the whole twin gimmick but we'll see

Eve is talented?

Since the start of the Knockouts Division, I have always maintained that in-ring wise that the WWE has the better group. However, the WWE's top in ring performer (Beth) cannot match TNA's best (Kong/Anderson).

And just imo, but I really don't care for the WWE's divas way of presenting themselves. All of them have the same "pick one of three" characters, but very few venture out to stand out. Layla is my favorite diva. Is she the best wrestler pound for pound? Nope. However, she is like a hidden highlight reel. How many of the other divas shout "SHE STEPPED ON MY FOOT! SHE CHEATED!" to the refs? Again, Layla may never be a prime time player like I would want her to be. But, she does get the character aspect that doesn't make her totally forgettable to me.

That is why I don't complain about the promo time the women it. I've been watching it long enough to know that they will never get enough to count. However, that doesn't mean they can't find a way to develop character.

Not to totally down the work of the WWE Divas, but their matches from a technical, booking and character stand point just don't interest/stand out to me. I don't care for backflips. I don't care for someone who refuses to job. I don't care for a negative charisma level.

When did Eve become talented? Do we live in Bizarro World?

BIZARRO!

Well I agree with Quisse about Eve, she is improving. Heck I rate her better then some of the other divas who are getitng pushes.

The reason i said Eve is talented is because of how much she has improved in her short time being in the WWE and how much she's grown in the ring keeping a steady pace not being afraid to try new things and having the will, ability and skill to be a wrestler, she works well with other divas and seems to have a passion for wrestling Eve isn't just some model trying to be a wrestler she breaks the mold that she can be just as successful as more accomplished women wrestler.

Of course Eve still has alot to work on no doubt but she's showing the most progress agruably quicker than any diva but i think Eve is a future champion

omg THE RESCUERS!

With that being said, I will still lol at the idea of Steve being one their top talents. Have you seen his shitty forearms, selling and overall anti-femininity campaign?

Eve has had simple booked matches to not make her look stupid in the ring. Alicia has been working more complexed matches, has carried various rookies and is probably the most talented model turned wrestler since Victoria. Alicia is by far supirior and experienced then Eve.

I'll give Eve her due, she hasn't looked stupid since stepping foot in the ring, but you can't compare her simple booked matches with those of Alicia who for most of her career has carried more then actually being carried herself.

Eve has a whole lot more work to do then Maryse & Alicia Fox combined. It's laughable you rank Eve amongs the best of the best. Makes you look stupid and pretty much showes you have little knowligde.

The Deadman wrote:

Minus Eve, I' ok with the Divas Quisee named.


Oh and... D! Wtf?!

only 7 out of 18 have actually showed me there worth in wrestling, sorry not buying this whole wwe has a lot of talented divas.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention scratch that Serena chick off that list because idk wtf she is - never seen her b4...

KiwiKevin wrote:

Eve has had simple booked matches to not make her look stupid in the ring. Alicia has been working more complexed matches, has carried various rookies and is probably the most talented model turned wrestler since Victoria. Alicia is by far supirior and experienced then Eve.

I'll give Eve her due, she hasn't looked stupid since stepping foot in the ring, but you can't compare her simple booked matches with those of Alicia who for most of her career has carried more then actually being carried herself.

Eve has a whole lot more work to do then Maryse & Alicia Fox combined. It's laughable you rank Eve amongs the best of the best. Makes you look stupid and pretty much showes you have little knowligde.

there seem to be a few model turned wrestlers that do that
alicia and layla stand out mainly.
i agree with what u said with alicia
and layla has had to carry eve and kelly and managed to *at least with eve* pull of a decent match with her

just love the hate on this fourm

u gotta love the pointless posts from dead aswell

mainly who i was talking bout well him and few others

LL "THE GREAT" wrote:

there seem to be a few model turned wrestlers that do that
alicia and layla stand out mainly.
i agree with what u said with alicia
and layla has had to carry eve and kelly and managed to *at least with eve* pull of a decent match with her

I disagree with that Layla Statement, Layla rarely carries anyone. Her matches are booked sooo simple, she mainly has to do her part and her opponent theirs. The amount of work Alicia Fox does in her match can't be compared to that of Layla who basicly dominates and take clotheslines and finishers. Alicia Fox, guides most her opponents (who aren't Gail Kim), she's on the receiving end of basicly every move in the ring. Her job is to make her opponent look good, not dominate and look good herself ala Layla.

At one point everyone praised the Layla vs. Michelle matches, while they were laid out pretty simple, no one carried anyone, everyone just did their part and things went smoothly, which is basicly how every Layla match has been booked and every Michelle vs. Maryse match for that matter.

That's cuz Layla is booked as traditionally as a heel should be. Heels don't do flashy moves, they just go out there to try and hurt you. I love it.. Even if she's never won a singles match cleanly. <_<

Since when was it a rule that a heel can't do Flashy Moves? Billy Kidman has done it, Tyson Kidd has done it, Jillian Hall has done it?? There is no rule made that heels aren't allowed to do Flashy moves.

Layla is simply not as athletic as her model peers. It's noticable by the way her matches are booked. Also their is no such thing as how a "heel traditionally should be". Because heels are booked in many diffrent ways, High Flyer who are heels can't be dominating all their opponents with technical & powerhouse moves, they also use their agility & highflying moves.

Please stop trying to "defend" Layla, i think i basicly sugar coated what i had to say. But this forum has WAY to many Layla marks TBH, it's like hating Candice all over again.

its our opinion though
dont tell us whether or not to defend it
like u said to me we can state what we want. you dont have to agree with it, but you have no right ask us not to post it.

and one thing. when does Layla dominate her matches, sure thing she may dominate mainly against Eve but thats in singles matches. the only other matches that she has are tag matches where, just like Alicia she takes the beating, she may not as u call it "carry" the match, but she still does most of the work in the match, by taking the beatings and taking the bumps

LL "THE GREAT" wrote:

and one thing. when does Layla dominate her matches, sure thing she may dominate mainly against Eve but thats in singles matches. the only other matches that she has are tag matches where, just like Alicia she takes the beating, she may not as u call it "carry" the match, but she still does most of the work in the match, by taking the beatings and taking the bumps

Again, still not compare able, Layla's action in Tag matches 90% of the time is Get hit and roll out. That has been her role 90% of the time. Let's see, let's review all the Michelle vs. Layla matches, who dominated? who worked on one body part? Who was beating down her opponent?

Layla does shit in her matches, she doesn't have to guide anyone, she doesn't have to make anyone look good. She just needs to make sure she does her part of the match. I won't call "taking bumps" work because most of the time like i stated before, Layla takes one shot and rolls out of the ring. That's usually her role.

With that being said, you guys are way to biased to have a reasonable debate with, try when we aren't discussing the person your high on.

try taking some high ground like me and apologising for making an unfair point like "stop defending her"
at least i had the sense to understand part of what i said was unfair and wrong
and people can have debates even with people they are high on.
sure im high on layla, dont mean i cant discount her flaws....but i just fail to see how she does no work. sure she does what she is told to do, that doesnt make her any less of an athlete...thats the way these matches are booked...Layla is booked to do what most heels do, which be take a hit and roll out, its what heels do to play " mind games "

and its a bit unfair to say people cant have a debate on people they are high on,when people who are haters cant either.
simple people who like someone, will defend them....people who hate will never praise...so if we cant defend, you cant debate, if thats the road your going down

KiwiKevin wrote:

Since when was it a rule that a heel can't do Flashy Moves? Billy Kidman has done it, Tyson Kidd has done it, Jillian Hall has done it?? There is no rule made that heels aren't allowed to do Flashy moves.

I guess should've expanded it to the old way the heels were booked. I do like the way Layla is booked because that makes the face doing something so-so seem so much flashier. When Eve first did her handspring to a moonsault move, people thought that match was boring/horrible/whatever. Layla's place is to put the faces over and I think her style helps that out.

Besides, if everyone does the same moves, the moves mean value. Everyone praises Lita her her "revolutionizing" women doing headscissors, but every face Diva does it now and it's like a standard move now. Well, other than Kelly trying to be Rey Rey circa 1995 when that stupider than shit version she does sometimes.

I agree, Layla isn't as athletic as her model peers. However, I think her wrestling benefits her as a fan of the more grounded mat work. That doesn't mean all of her matches are better or worst though.

Again, you come up with weak arguement or things that just don't make sense. let me remind you, I HATE michelle McCool, i'd throw a party the day that ho is released, but i will never talk down her wrestling ability because i hate her. I'm growing to like Eve Torres, but no moonsault is going to lie me that she is any better then the rest. She's just as bad, with an added flashy move.

"which be take a hit and roll out, its what heels do to play " mind games" Your an idiot, the face gets the tag, layla runs in gets hit rolls out the ring and so does the next heel. How is that mind games? That's standart "Hot Tag" right there. Your an idiot, seriously.

Layla is OBVIOUSLY less athletic then the others, it's obvious, she is obviously not an athlete, when they say Michelle did sports, you see it, same as kelly & Eve. Those girls are athletes aside from being a "model", Layla was a dancer, never the athlete. You could tell when someone has done a sport in the past and when someone hasn't and from the looks of it, Layla hasn't.

Another reason for this is, WWE may have shit divas but they do book women to their advanteges in matches to hide their weaknesses. WWE has better match bookers for the women then TNA does, it has been proven time to time again. There is a reason why we have Michelle, Eve & Kelly flipping around the ring, while Maria/Layla & Maryse don't because their working each girl to use their strong points. Layla, Maria & Maryse aren't athletes, so taking a more technical, ground, brawling appoach would be better.

Much like TNA having Christy throwing stupid looking strikes on TNA while WWE never let her do much strikes, because she was never good at it and WWE knew that, that's why in her brawl with Victoria, she was choking her instead of throwing stupdi looking punches.

lol at your bringing up Christy's shitty strikes. I dunno why that made me laugh.

Mickie's Lover wrote:

mainly who i was talking bout well him and few others

i dont need your approval to post anything here. if you dont like what you read, close out the tab.

lst dead billy has right to say he disagree without closing a tab. i takes critism all times from u alls. u needs to b ables takes some without tab closing. so enough of u fuss quisse 17 say:

All i have to say is that i think any woman in the wrestling business who goes out there and tries her best to entertain the fans whether she's good or bad she deserves some type of praise it's a male dominated sport with alot of prejudice toward women in general and i think all the divas are beautiful and hardworking women and i have the ought most respect for them.

i wonders if anyone remembers sable, sunny & marlena? they not wrestle but has a very big role on the shows. if wwe run right the real lady wrestlers wrestle full time the real valets wrestle part time & valet or b like extreme xpose or nitro girls & fans stop they fussing if u want good lady wrestling stop insisting maryse, kelly, rosa, layla, maria & those girls has to to b wrestlers to b in business & enjoy what they can realistikly do good. if peoples would do that the business b better off. sometimes peoples like chris jericho & jbl right! "the fans cause the troubles"

nitro girl wrote:

lst dead billy has right to say he disagree without closing a tab. i takes critism all times from u alls. u needs to b ables takes some without tab closing. so enough of u fuss

actually, i dont go around going "too much hate here" like a hurt school girl

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Can someone translate Nitro Girl's last post?

Serial wrote:

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Can someone translate Nitro Girl's last post?

leave the girl alone no need to be a bitch toward her

and dead your right you dont because your the reason most dont liek this place.

Keep the discussion on topic, as it is way off track. We shouldn't have to keep on locking threads because you guys can't go without calling each other bitches and whatnot.

And I don't care who started what and who said what, so don't bother trying that either. Please keep on topic for the discussion's sake.