lol about all i can manage is TNA and WWE if thats ok haha

hmmm

I'll try this..want me to post it here, Kev? or with your list?

Yeah you can post it here and i'ts ok LL if it's TNA & WWE only that's also good lol. No problems

its easy....and it will be truthful, well it will be what i think at least
criticise me all you like, i look at different stuff

ok here's mine:


1. Cheerleader Melissa
2. MisChif
3. Sara Del Ray
4. Lacey
5. Hamada
6. Lufisto
7. Nikki Roxx
8. Portia Perez
9. Mercedes Martinez
10. Daizee Haze
11. Natalya
12. Gail Kim
13. Beth Phoenix
14. Ariel
15. Allison Danger
16. Shantelle Taylor(Taylor Wilde)
17. Katie Lea
18. Mickie James
19. Tara (Victoria)
20. Cindy Rogers
21. ODB
22. Madison Rayne
23. Jillian Hall
24. Krissy Vaine
25. Tiana Ringer


I just stopped at 25...i only know of a few SHIMMER ladies.

go ahead Kev..criticize away lol

do they have to be active??

well not really...add Jazz and April hun..it's ok :p

Ohh Tiana, forgot her....then again she kinda retired too ...good one vix. will say more laters.

didnt know about Tiana

i was watching SHIMMER vol 1 and 2 and remember Tiana on there so that's how she got on the list.

1-Alissa Flash
2-Awsome Kong
3-Gail Kim
4-Hamada
5-Natalya
6-Sarita
7-Beth Pheonix
8-Taylor Wilde
9-Tara
10-Mickie James
11-Katie Lea
12-ODB
13-Melina
14-Michelle McCool
15-Jillian
16-Maddison Rayne
17-Daffney
18-Traci Brooks
19-Layla
20-Alicia Fox
21-Velvet
22-Christy Hemme
23-Maryse
24-Kelly Kelly
25-Tiffany
26-Eve
27-Nikki
28-Brie
29-Maria
30-Rosa
31-Lacey

right theres my list, i tried not to think of stuff like bumping, and i didnt consider pushes, or what matches theyve been in, im trying to think of how obvious they botch and how sloppy they are aswell as actual techincal ability

1)Natalya
2)Gail Kim
3)Tara
4)Daffney
5)Alissa Flash
6)Beth Phoenix
7)Sarita
8)Melina
9)Taylor Wilde
10)Mickie James
11)Michelle McCool
12)Katie Lea
13)Awesome Kong
14)Jillian
15)Traci Brookes
16)Angelina Love
17)Hamada
18)Layla El
19)Eve
20)Alicia Fox
21)Madison Rayne
22)Christy Hemme
23)Maryse
24)Kelly Kelly
25)Velvet Sky

1.Alissa Flash
2.Gail Kim
3.Beth
4.Natalya
5.Awesome Kong
6.Taylor Wilde
7.Jazz
8.Mercedes Martinez
9.Molly Holly
10.Sarita
11.Ivory
12.Victoria/Tara
13.Jacqueline
14.Trish Stratus
15.Nidia
16.Traci Brooks
17.Melina
18.Hamada
19.Serena
20.Michelle McCool
21.Katie Lea
22.ODB
23.Mickie James
24.Jillian
25.Lita
26.Madison Rayne
27.Roxxi
28.Alicia Fox
29.Candice Michelle
30.Torrie Wilson
31.Dawn Marie
32.Kristal Marshall
33.Shaniqua
34.Layla
35.Maryse
36.Velvet Sky
37.Christy Hemme
38.Stacy Kiebler
39.The Kat
40.Eve Torres
41.The Bellas
42.Terri Runnels
43.Salinas
44.Rhaka Khan
45.Sharmell
46.Kelly Kelly
47.Rosa Mendes
48.Maria
49.Ashley
50.Jenna Morasca

Do not know where to rank (Tori, Sable, Sojo, Debra and a few Shimmer talent)

The Sexy Vixen wrote:

ok here's mine:


1. Cheerleader Melissa
2. MisChif
3. Sara Del Ray
4. Lacey
5. Hamada
6. Lufisto
7. Nikki Roxx
8. Portia Perez
9. Mercedes Martinez
10. Daizee Haze
11. Natalya
12. Gail Kim
13. Beth Phoenix
14. Ariel
15. Allison Danger
16. Shantelle Taylor(Taylor Wilde)
17. Katie Lea
18. Mickie James
19. Tara (Victoria)
20. Cindy Rogers
21. ODB
22. Madison Rayne
23. Jillian Hall
24. Krissy Vaine
25. Tiana Ringer


I just stopped at 25...i only know of a few SHIMMER ladies.

go ahead Kev..criticize away lol

I personally love your list. My only issue is Katie Lea. She has this weird akwardness about her wrestling. But none the less. With the talent you added on the list. It's damn good. Although Hamada, kinda high lol. But other then that. I like your list.

LL Sr. wrote:

1-Alissa Flash
2-Awsome Kong
3-Gail Kim
4-Hamada
5-Natalya
6-Sarita
7-Beth Pheonix
8-Taylor Wilde
9-Tara
10-Mickie James
11-Katie Lea
12-ODB
13-Melina
14-Michelle McCool
15-Jillian
16-Maddison Rayne
17-Daffney
18-Traci Brooks
19-Layla
20-Alicia Fox
21-Velvet
22-Christy Hemme
23-Maryse
24-Kelly Kelly
25-Tiffany
26-Eve
27-Nikki
28-Brie
29-Maria
30-Rosa
31-Lacey

right theres my list, i tried not to think of stuff like bumping, and i didnt consider pushes, or what matches theyve been in, im trying to think of how obvious they botch and how sloppy they are aswell as actual techincal ability

Pretty good top 10. I'd rearange a few. But the names you have on the list, you have the right ones in the top 10. Good list. Christy over Kelly? Velvet over Maryse? Tiffany over Eve? Those are probably the only changes i'd make. It's cringing to see ODB, Katie Lea and Melina so high. But you have a limited amount of talent, so it's understandable. I'd also throw Daffney & Traci Brooks over Madison Rayne. And Jillian over Katie, ODB & Melina....but it's a decent list none the less.

TRX wrote:

1)Natalya
2)Gail Kim
3)Tara
4)Daffney
5)Alissa Flash
6)Beth Phoenix
7)Sarita
8)Melina
9)Taylor Wilde
10)Mickie James
11)Michelle McCool
12)Katie Lea
13)Awesome Kong
14)Jillian
15)Traci Brookes
16)Angelina Love
17)Hamada
18)Layla El
19)Eve
20)Alicia Fox
21)Madison Rayne
22)Christy Hemme
23)Maryse
24)Kelly Kelly
25)Velvet Sky

:ewwa: Melina & Daffney top 10? Awesome Kong all the way down there. Christy & Eve above Maryse & Kelly Kelly? Eehh Daffney kinda threw me off to begin with. Although your a fan. SOOO i kinda see. But it does make me cringe.

ill make a list...i gotta think though

Blue Campbell wrote:

1.Alissa Flash
2.Gail Kim
3.Beth
4.Natalya
5.Awesome Kong
6.Taylor Wilde
7.Jazz
8.Mercedes Martinez
9.Molly Holly
10.Sarita
11.Ivory
12.Victoria/Tara
13.Jacqueline
14.Trish Stratus
15.Nidia
16.Traci Brooks
17.Melina
18.Hamada
19.Serena
20.Michelle McCool
21.Katie Lea
22.ODB
23.Mickie James
24.Jillian
25.Lita
26.Madison Rayne
27.Roxxi
28.Alicia Fox
29.Candice Michelle
30.Torrie Wilson
31.Dawn Marie
32.Kristal Marshall
33.Shaniqua
34.Layla
35.Maryse
36.Velvet Sky
37.Christy Hemme
38.Stacy Kiebler
39.The Kat
40.Eve Torres
41.The Bellas
42.Terri Runnels
43.Salinas
44.Rhaka Khan
45.Sharmell
46.Kelly Kelly
47.Rosa Mendes
48.Maria
49.Ashley
50.Jenna Morasca

Do not know where to rank (Tori, Sable, Sojo, Debra and a few Shimmer talent)

Ok ok ok wow...this is all kinds of crazy. Surprisingly the only good thing you did is ranked Trish at a good spot. Now the bad.

Kelly kelly below, Terri, Salinas, Rhaka Khan, Christy, Sharmell, Candice is just damn laughable. Even for you. Mickie James at 23 is a big Joke, i'd rank her above damn Trish Stratus. Nidia above shit loads of people is damn crazy. Candice above Torrie even bigger joke. Roxxi at 27? Holy fucking shit, what the fuck are you smoking? You fucking serious dude? Your list is a joke because i could see a whole lot of favoritsm in it. It's by for the worst. Cringe worthy Daffny in the top 5 wasn't as bad as this.

Chuck Norris wrote:

ill make a list...i gotta think though

With the new names being braught up, i'm gonna work on top 100!!!! I'm soooo excited!!

KiwiKevin wrote:

I personally love your list. My only issue is Katie Lea. She has this weird akwardness about her wrestling. But none the less. With the talent you added on the list. It's damn good. Although Hamada, kinda high lol. But other then that. I like your list.

i wanted to put Mickie James above her because personally I think Mickie is better..but Mickie has been having a long stint of bad matches which she is still recovering from.

but seeing Katie's OVW work is what got her ranked so high. I kinda see a little awkwardness in ODB but when she feuded with Katie in OVW..you could hardly tell. Plus Katie did well in caring those god awful Bellas on ECW..

thanks, Kev

Lita and Jennifer Blake a tad bit high. But loved you lift. Plus i'd rank Bull Nakano over Awesome kong anytime of the day :p

I admit that Kelly so low was me low balling her on purpose, she would actually be in between Eve and The Kat or somewhere around there haha. My list is indeed a clusterfuck, I just listed bitches that came to mind. Kelly sucks compared to bump machine Terri and I already know how you feel about Candice so pointless debating that. Christy is loads better then Kelly too. I need to think about this list again.

Mickie at 23 is perfect, she has been so boring that she deserves to be that low. I don’t know wtf happened with her because she used to be really good. I always loved Nidia and she is highly underrated so I like the spot I gave her. Torrie Wilson played it safe throughout her career, I ranked Candice higher because she took risks and tried things that were out of her comfort zone. Roxxi at 27? I admit I forgot about her so I just squeezed her in anywhere lol.

My top 10 is great imo though

The Sexy Vixen wrote:

KiwiKevin wrote:

I personally love your list. My only issue is Katie Lea. She has this weird akwardness about her wrestling. But none the less. With the talent you added on the list. It's damn good. Although Hamada, kinda high lol. But other then that. I like your list.

i wanted to put Mickie James above her because personally I think Mickie is better..but Mickie has been having a long stint of bad matches which she is still recovering from.

but seeing Katie's OVW work is what got her ranked so high. I kinda see a little awkwardness in ODB but when she feuded with Katie in OVW..you could hardly tell. Plus Katie did well in caring those god awful Bellas on ECW..

thanks, Kev

Katie has only worked well with two people Beth Phoenix & ODB. She hasn't meshed with anyone else. She has this same akwardness like Lita, but hers is just worse. She just doesn't mesh with anyone in the ring IMO besides ODB or Beth Phoenix.

KiwiKevin wrote:

Lita and Jennifer Blake a tad bit high. But loved you lift. Plus i'd rank Bull Nakano over Awesome kong anytime of the day :p

meh, theyre right next to each other lol

Blue Campbell wrote:

1.Alissa Flash
2.Gail Kim
3.Beth
4.Natalya
5.Awesome Kong
6.Taylor Wilde
7.Jazz
8.Mercedes Martinez
9.Molly Holly
10.Sarita
11.Ivory
12.Victoria/Tara
13.Jacqueline
14.Trish Stratus
15.Nidia
16.Traci Brooks
17.Melina
18.Hamada
19.Serena
20.Michelle McCool
21.Katie Lea
22.ODB
23.Mickie James
24.Jillian
25.Lita
26.Madison Rayne
27.Roxxi
28.Alicia Fox
29.Candice Michelle
30.Torrie Wilson
31.Dawn Marie
32.Kristal Marshall
33.Shaniqua
34.Layla
35.Maryse
36.Velvet Sky
37.Christy Hemme
38.Stacy Kiebler
39.The Kat
40.Eve Torres
41.The Bellas
42.Terri Runnels
43.Salinas
44.Rhaka Khan
45.Sharmell
46.Kelly Kelly
47.Rosa Mendes
48.Maria
49.Ashley
50.Jenna Morasca

Do not know where to rank (Tori, Sable, Sojo, Debra and a few Shimmer talent)

lol i agree with Kevin this is kinda weird tbh
call me a Layla mark all you want, but Candice, Kristall and Shaniqua over Layla LOL
Bellas, Terri, Kat, Rhaka and Sharmell over Kelly thats also LOL

KiwiKevin wrote:

LL Sr. wrote:

1-Alissa Flash
2-Awsome Kong
3-Gail Kim
4-Natalya Neidhart
5-Sarah Stock
6-Molly Holly
7-Hamada
8-Beth Pheonix
9-Taylor Wilde
10-Ivory
11-Tara
12-Mickie James
13-Jazz
14-Jacqueline
15-Lita
16-Katie Lea
17-Trish Stratus
18-ODB
19-Melina Perez
20-Michelle McCool
21-Jillian Hall
22-Daffney
23-Traci Brooks
24-Maddison Rayne
25-Torrie Wilson
26-Layla El
27-Alicia Fox
28-Kelly Kelly
29-Stacey Keibler
30-Velvet Sky
31-Maryse Ouellett
32-Christy Hemme
33-Eve Torres
34-Tiffany Terrell
35-Nikki Bella
36-Brie Bella
37-Maria Kanellis
38-Sharmell Huffman
39-Rosa Mendez
40-Ashley Massarro
41-Lacey Von Erich
42-Jenna Morassca
right theres my list, i tried not to think of stuff like bumping, and i didnt consider pushes, or what matches theyve been in, im trying to think of how obvious they botch and how sloppy they are aswell as actual techincal ability

Pretty good top 10. I'd rearange a few. But the names you have on the list, you have the right ones in the top 10. Good list. Christy over Kelly? Velvet over Maryse? Tiffany over Eve? Those are probably the only changes i'd make. It's cringing to see ODB, Katie Lea and Melina so high. But you have a limited amount of talent, so it's understandable. I'd also throw Daffney & Traci Brooks over Madison Rayne. And Jillian over Katie, ODB & Melina....but it's a decent list none the less.

1- i rearranged a few on the top ten thinking more about it, as well as the addition of the names : Molly Holly, Ivory, Jazz, Jacqueline, Lita, Trish Status, Torrie Wilson, Stacey Keibler, Sharmell Huffman, Ashley Massaro, Jenna Morrassca
2-TBH i didnt even notice TIffany above Eve, so *changes*
3- i dont know why I put Christy over Kelly, Christy is kinda like Maria in terms of how bad she is in such a long time, even with KO rub off, but she is better then Maria, Kelly i think is better then what ive seen from Velvet and Maryse, but tbh from what ive seen Velvet has been better then Maryse *changes Kelly*

hows it look now haha

Thought I'd add the above too.

1.Jacqueline- Shes had like 20yrs experience, shes a true veteran/legend.
2.Gail Kim- So innovative and versitile..Never seen this woman botch
3.Natalya- Shes is great, just doesn't have the versitility the above do.
4.Tara- Extremely versitile, and always found her a great worker.
5.Molly Holly- Her heel work left a lot to be desired, compared to when she is a face.
6.Alissa Flash- Shes a great worker, I just don't think shes the best
7.Lita- Attack me all you want, but I found her pretty great in her own right. 2004
8.Daffney- Shes also a veteran and I find her rather good in the ring
9.Jazz- I always found her better than Beth Phoenix ring wise
10.Beth Phoenix- Solid as anything, but had to be below Jazz.
11.Sarita
12.Ivory
13.Melina
14.Taylor Wilde
15.Trish Stratus
16.Mickie James- Shes good, but her later work has caused me to rank her lower
17.Katie Lea
18.Michelle McCool
19.Awesome Kong- I don't see the hype about this woman...Shes good, but her size covers.
20.Jillian
21.Traci Brookes
22.Angelina Love
23.Hamada
24.Torrie Wilson
25.Layla El
26.Eve
27.Alicia Fox
28.Madison Rayne
29.Christy Hemme
30.Kelly Kelly
31.Maryse- She isn't that great..She does a few moves and thats it.
32.Velvet Sky

scott, you honestly think Bull Nakano is the most technical female wrestler ever?

not to argue, i'm just surprised.