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We all know that wrestling is staged, and to most people is called "sports entertainment", but there are some fans that take it way too far. For example, bashing a heel or face based on their real lives. A gimmick 90% of the time isnt based on a real life persona. For example:

CM Punk: Yeah, he lives a straightedge lifestyle, but come on. Who really thinks he goes around preaching to random people out on the street about drugs or drinking? It's called a gimmick people, and its designed to piss you off if the person portraying the gimmick is a heel. And if its pissing you off greatly, that means hes doing his job, and if hes doing his job thats all that matters to the wrestling world. Just because he preaches every single week on Smackdown, doesnt mean he does that in real life, and its a shame people hold that against him because they actually believe what hes saying.

There ARE heels however who are pricks in and outside of the ring, such as Orton and Batista, but to hate them for the personal life when theyre wrestling is absurd. Wrestling lives and personal lives are 2 different things, and should be treated as such. Do you think people stopped respecting Chris Benoit as one of the best technical wrestlers of all time, regardless of what he may of done to himself or his family? I doubt it.

Now onto the praising of wrestlers constantly. Take Cena for example...sure he may be a nice guy in real life...but his wrestling sucks, and his gimmick is stale and boring. Some people say hes inspirational...i call bullshit. Any time a guy repeats the same fucking lines like "i never back down and i never quit" and "youre going to war" in EVERY feud hes ever in, how is that supposed to be inspiring? Its the same shit, if i wanted to be motivated, id go to a motivational speaker.

Another topic, is the race thing. Who gives a hairy rats ass if a girl is blonde with big boobs and a big ass, or a black chick with the same thing...its supposed to be about the fucking wrestling. It makes me sick when fans have to go "theyll push the blonde bimbo but they wont push my faves cause theyre black". BullSHIT, its about having the talent, and the charisma to connect with the crowd, and if a so called "blonde bimbo" has both and a black female wrestler doesnt...so fucking what. The crowd makes or breaks you as a wrestler, with cheers or dead fucking silence, and to place the blame of a lackluster reaction on a black worker because she isnt white is horrendous. Racism is all around in this country, but it should NOT be allowed to get into shit that we all love to sit back and enjoy, such as wrestling, sports etc. Leave the racism at home folks, because the more you spit that bullshit, the less fun it is for the rest of us to sit back and watch it with you. This goes for the white fans too.

Marks...gotta love em. These are the ones that make people want to choke the ever loving piss outta them on most occasions. They piss moan and b***** about a different opinion, but feel the need to give a different opinion of their own. I remember on a non wrestling forum, i told some Jeff Hardy mark that Hardy sucks, and he told me to go fuck a toaster, then felt the need to express why he can give his opinion. All i could do was go wow, because this kid basically told me only hes allowed to give a opinion and i have to agree with what he said, regardless if it was fact or fiction. Theyre also ignorant to other fans opinions, because they know they cant handle negative opinion, so they either ignore it, or try to insult them like a idiot.

Lastly, the so called "stealing" of other wrestlers moves. No one steals moves, because theres no law that says you cant use another workers move. Hell, 85% of the moves that are being done today, were more than likely done back in the 70s and 80s, theyre called MOVESETS. If everyone doing the same move were illegal, no one would have any movesets, and ALL of wrestling would be bland and boring as shit, it would be borderline college mat wrestling, and NO ONE wants that. So stop saying ppl are stealing another workers move, because its not stealing whatsoever, and if you disagree with me, you're probably a jew.
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btw, i put a LOT of thought into what the hell i just typed....lol
The Sexy Vixen
Re: The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously
Post Thu 04 Feb 2010, 5:10 pm by The Sexy Vixen
i disagree but i know better than to argue with Dead so...good work.
what parts did you disagree on, the truthful ones? lol
The Sexy Vixen
Re: The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously
Post Thu 04 Feb 2010, 5:22 pm by The Sexy Vixen
the race thing. i disagree there, but whatever.

btw, many people stopped respecting Benoit after he went crazy and killed his family. you wouldnt believe how many people trash his name now. As if he never got in the ring match after match of his career and put his body on the line for them. It makes me a bit sad because no matter how he died and what he did, I still respect Benoit because he was one of the best damn technical wrestlers I've ever seen. and no murder-suicide will ever take that away from me.
I can't find anything to disagree with. O___O
The Sexy Vixen wrote:
the race thing. i disagree there, but whatever.

btw, many people stopped respecting Benoit after he went crazy and killed his family. you wouldnt believe how many people trash his name now. As if he never got in the ring match after match of his career and put his body on the line for them. It makes me a bit sad because no matter how he died and what he did, I still respect Benoit because he was one of the best damn technical wrestlers I've ever seen. and no murder-suicide will ever take that away from me.

if you honestly wanna blame race on why someone is getting crickets for a reaction....then i dont know what to say to you. racism makes me hate watching wrestling, because theres always someone who wants to throw it out there so they can get their point across

as for Benoit, not respecting the MAN for what he did is all good...but not respecting his inring career is ignorant as fuck, because its 2 totally different things
The Sexy Vixen
Re: The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously
Post Thu 04 Feb 2010, 5:41 pm by The Sexy Vixen
no Dead...race has nothing to do with people getting 0 reaction...but when it comes to who gets pushed i think it plays a small part. In all the time maryse was out on injury, Alicia Fox could've taken the reigns as raw's top heel. She definitely has more skill than Maryse...but WWE decided to stall things out with Melina until Maryse came back.

so yeah i think race plays a small part.


and no people trash Benoit's ability now, because he is a murderer. i see it in wrestling chats all the time. They act like he's shit now just because of the circumstances of his death.
thats because she got basically little to no reaction with the crowd. as i said in the blog post, the crowd makes or breaks you. Paul Heyman said that best on the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD, its why most of their talent are well known and actually noticed. Michelle McCool is the top heel on Smackdown, and from watching the Rumble sunday night, she got little to no reaction, because people dont give a fuck about her. its all how you connect with the crowd, is when you get pushed, or stay a jobber for the rest of your career. just look at Charlie Hass, talented as a mother fucker but gets no reaction whatsoever, so hes stuck in jobber hell. everything isnt about skill, its about skill and charisma and what you can do with it.

if the WWE REALLY wanted to be racist, theyd hire only white performers lol
The Sexy Vixen
Re: The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously
Post Thu 04 Feb 2010, 5:52 pm by The Sexy Vixen
i never said WWE was racist.

Maryse & Alicia both come out to near crickets. so they're even there.

Alicia is the more talented of the 2 so i think she should be the one facing Gail and on track to be the next Diva's champ. Maryse just has personality. she hasnt gotten any really skill yet.

shockingly enough together they = 1 solid diva

maryse has the charisma..Alicia has the skill... too bad we cant combine them.
no, im saying if the company actually wanted to be racist, thats what theyd do. Maryse actually gets booed, because of her personality = that means she connects with the crowd. ive yet to see Alicia do that. you need a personality to get ahead in wrestling too

edit: if you combined them a push would probably happen
The Sexy Vixen
Re: The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously
Post Thu 04 Feb 2010, 6:02 pm by The Sexy Vixen
WWE couldnt be racist anyway with Linda running for Senate lol

Alicia hasnt really gotten a chance yet because WWE only seems to want to exhibit her when they feellike it. on SD she was in layla's spot, as a lackey and here on Raw she's just kinda there. occasionally she gets singles matches to try to build some character but WWE isnt as consistent with her as they are Maryse. so yeah Maryse connects with the crowd considering she is featured every week so the crowd has a chance to connect with her.

all the time Maryse was injured could've been spent on pushing Alicia Fox up but they gave her a crappy 2 minute title match and occasional matches here and there so the crowd doesnt care about her.

The raw women's division is just a giant clusterfuck. they should take notes from SD.

anyway, i dont want to argue. we'd be up all night and old man Dead cant stay up past 11pm Snitsky
"because this kid basically told me only hes allowed to give a opinion and i have to agree with what he said."

"and if you disagree with me, you're probably a jew."

uhhh is this just a mere mess up? orrr.. is it just hypocrisy? i don't agree with what this Hardy mark did, but i don't agree with what you said at the end. sounds kinda' like what the Hardy mark tried to do to you.

i don't know if you did that on purpose though..
Queen Mintz
Re: The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously
Post Thu 04 Feb 2010, 7:47 pm by Queen Mintz
I think you're taking everything a bit seriously by posting this blog. However, there are some parts where I agree and others where I disagree. You sit there and talk shit on Cena but that is actually your opinion. Some of his fans could actually think he's an inspiration to them while others think he simply sucks. I also don't think you should've brought up the whole marks thing when you tend to be one yourself. If someone doesn't agree with you thats when you start spewing your shit. The other shit I basically agree with so nice rant, I guess.
Blue Ryder
CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:
thats because she got basically little to no reaction with the crowd. as i said in the blog post, the crowd makes or breaks you. Paul Heyman said that best on the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD, its why most of their talent are well known and actually noticed. Michelle McCool is the top heel on Smackdown, and from watching the Rumble sunday night, she got little to no reaction, because people dont give a fuck about her. its all how you connect with the crowd, is when you get pushed, or stay a jobber for the rest of your career. just look at Charlie Hass, talented as a mother fucker but gets no reaction whatsoever, so hes stuck in jobber hell. everything isnt about skill, its about skill and charisma and what you can do with it.

if the WWE REALLY wanted to be racist, theyd hire only white performers lol
I sometimes wonder if you're deaf! Are you? Michelle got fucking reaction at the rumble and you didn't just say that the crowd makes or breaks anyone! First of all the RAW CROWD sucks monkey ass, they rarely cheer for anything and secondly they sure as hell dont boo Maryse so what gives? But because she has charisma she gets a pass?
Queen Mintz
Re: The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously
Post Thu 04 Feb 2010, 8:49 pm by Queen Mintz
Michelle didn't get a reaction at the rumble, I will agree with him on that. The first reaction came when Mickie's music hit
Blue Ryder
It wasn't ZOMG amazing reaction but to sit here and say that the b***** got nothing? Nothing at all? Is crazy! I saw the segment, I heard boos and it wasn't a taped show so the semi reaction was legit!


I
Queen Mintz
Re: The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously
Post Thu 04 Feb 2010, 9:08 pm by Queen Mintz
I didn't hear shit. :\
Blue Ryder
Now I gots to see the segment again, ugh!
I agree with blue I did hear boos from the crowd at mccool during the promo. They seemed to grow louder the more she insulted mickie.
Queen Mintz
Re: The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously
Post Thu 04 Feb 2010, 9:33 pm by Queen Mintz
I'll probably watch that part again, I know she didn't get anything when she first came out though
Blue Ryder
CP Munk wrote:
I agree with blue I did hear boos from the crowd at mccool during the promo. They seemed to grow louder the more she insulted mickie.
Well this is shocking! hilarious Shocked

HBIC Mintz wrote:
I'll probably watch that part again, I know she didn't get anything when she first came out though
I should have made myself a bit clearer! I heard heat when she was in the ring not when she came out Embarassed
Queen Blue wrote:
CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:
thats because she got basically little to no reaction with the crowd. as i said in the blog post, the crowd makes or breaks you. Paul Heyman said that best on the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD, its why most of their talent are well known and actually noticed. Michelle McCool is the top heel on Smackdown, and from watching the Rumble sunday night, she got little to no reaction, because people dont give a fuck about her. its all how you connect with the crowd, is when you get pushed, or stay a jobber for the rest of your career. just look at Charlie Hass, talented as a mother fucker but gets no reaction whatsoever, so hes stuck in jobber hell. everything isnt about skill, its about skill and charisma and what you can do with it.

if the WWE REALLY wanted to be racist, theyd hire only white performers lol
I sometimes wonder if you're deaf! Are you? Michelle got fucking reaction at the rumble and you didn't just say that the crowd makes or breaks anyone! First of all the RAW CROWD sucks monkey ass, they rarely cheer for anything and secondly they sure as hell dont boo Maryse so what gives? But because she has charisma she gets a pass?

i sometimes wonder if you're retarded, that's just me
"The Bad Guy" Glitch wrote:
"because this kid basically told me only hes allowed to give a opinion and i have to agree with what he said."

"and if you disagree with me, you're probably a jew."

uhhh is this just a mere mess up? orrr.. is it just hypocrisy? i don't agree with what this Hardy mark did, but i don't agree with what you said at the end. sounds kinda' like what the Hardy mark tried to do to you.

i don't know if you did that on purpose though..

there's a news show that does a monologue, and at the end the host usually ends with the whole disagreeing thing, first it was with Hitler than racists. It's a comedy schtick

HBIC Mintz wrote:
I think you're taking everything a bit seriously by posting this blog. However, there are some parts where I agree and others where I disagree. You sit there and talk shit on Cena but that is actually your opinion. Some of his fans could actually think he's an inspiration to them while others think he simply sucks. I also don't think you should've brought up the whole marks thing when you tend to be one yourself. If someone doesn't agree with you thats when you start spewing your shit. The other shit I basically agree with so nice rant, I guess.

yeah, you guys do the same thing
LMAO Blue, when are you going to realize RAW sucks ass??? The crowds know that. Of course they are going to boo; they paid their hard-earned money to watch that bullshit live-I'd be unresponsive as possible too, shit. There are actually more intelligent fans in those shows than I initially thought
Queen Mintz
Re: The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously
Post Fri 05 Feb 2010, 1:52 am by Queen Mintz
CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:

HBIC Mintz wrote:
I think you're taking everything a bit seriously by posting this blog. However, there are some parts where I agree and others where I disagree. You sit there and talk shit on Cena but that is actually your opinion. Some of his fans could actually think he's an inspiration to them while others think he simply sucks. I also don't think you should've brought up the whole marks thing when you tend to be one yourself. If someone doesn't agree with you thats when you start spewing your shit. The other shit I basically agree with so nice rant, I guess.

yeah, you guys do the same thing
I'm not the one who made a blog about it though
There's some things on here I strongly disagree with.
lemme guess....the race issue right
More than that, want to have a debate about it? I'm game if you are.
speak on what issues bugged you, and ill think about it. btw, try to be unbias and use me in all your arguments (that means dont do it)
Blue Ryder
CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:
Queen Blue wrote:
CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:
thats because she got basically little to no reaction with the crowd. as i said in the blog post, the crowd makes or breaks you. Paul Heyman said that best on the Rise and Fall of ECW DVD, its why most of their talent are well known and actually noticed. Michelle McCool is the top heel on Smackdown, and from watching the Rumble sunday night, she got little to no reaction, because people dont give a fuck about her. its all how you connect with the crowd, is when you get pushed, or stay a jobber for the rest of your career. just look at Charlie Hass, talented as a mother fucker but gets no reaction whatsoever, so hes stuck in jobber hell. everything isnt about skill, its about skill and charisma and what you can do with it.

if the WWE REALLY wanted to be racist, theyd hire only white performers lol
I sometimes wonder if you're deaf! Are you? Michelle got fucking reaction at the rumble and you didn't just say that the crowd makes or breaks anyone! First of all the RAW CROWD sucks monkey ass, they rarely cheer for anything and secondly they sure as hell dont boo Maryse so what gives? But because she has charisma she gets a pass?

i sometimes wonder if you're retarded, that's just me
Well that sucks for you!

Damn I was going to say something but I wasn't going to sink to your level and what I had to say was pretty bad, but you know what? I'll keep it to myself! But nice of you to admit that you think I'm a retard, I mean deaf is not at all bad compared to retards but its ok! Rolling Eyes
you do know that the deaf have a speech problem right?
Blue Ryder
I know they have "hearing" problems and that's where my deaf statement came from because you say you never hear anything when it comes to the ladies. But its whatever.
my tv is always at a default level, i dont turn it up or down to make it seem like someone gets a pop or not
Because the cheers are so small, but that's just me I suppose
CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:
We all know that wrestling is staged, and to most people is called "sports entertainment", but there are some fans that take it way too far. For example, bashing a heel or face based on their real lives. A gimmick 90% of the time isn't based on a real life persona. For example:

There ARE heels however who are pricks in and outside of the ring, such as Orton and Batista, but to hate them for the personal life when they're wrestling is absurd. Wrestling lives and personal lives are 2 different things, and should be treated as such. Do you think people stopped respecting Chris Benoit as one of the best technical wrestlers of all time, regardless of what he may of done to himself or his family? I doubt it.

Starting off with this one first.

First off, I think it's well within a person's right to dislike a person based on their life outside the wrestling ring. I do agree with you on your argument about CM Punk, but disagree with what you said about Orton and Batista.

To go deeper into this topic, let's talk about fame.

As we all know, Batista and Orton are two famous individuals thanks to their careers as pro-wrestlers in on of the biggest wrestling companies in the world. Because of this, they're no longer normal citizens like you or I; they are now public figures whose personal lives are open to public scrutiny whether they like it or not. A normal person like you and I can go out, get wasted, get arrested, and unless we tell people (or have noisy relatives who surf the booking page of the local Sheriff's office website) no one would ever know. But look at what happen to Gregory Helms and Chris Jericho, if they weren't pro-wrestlers; their wild night out drinking wouldn't have made the local paper, let alone TMZ. But because of their fame as wrestlers, their arrests were a hot topic on wrestling and gossip sites around the globe; with the WWE currently in the PG era, this is the last thing that the WWE wants to happen since such behavior can turn young fans against the two. For a Chris Jericho it's no big thing since he's a heel, but for Helms who is currently a babyface super hero...this could be a career killer. Now, if a young fan who doesn't like drinking no longer respects the two because of their arrests, I think they're well within their right. I know a lot of people who disliked Batista after reading his autobiography, something that Batista himself out out for public consumption and if they choose not to like him because of what they read, I think that's perfectly okay. Same thing goes with Orton, if a fan from a military background disrespects him because he went AWOL, they're well within their right; it's part of the fame game, if you don't live up the the ideal that some of the public has about you, they will dislike you...but hey, that's life.

It took me awhile to come to terms with what happened to the Benoit family; with that being said, I can honestly say I lost all respect for Chris Benoit the moment I found out he snuff the life from his wife and innocent son. The man was a great wrestler, his matches were great, but all of that can't change the fact that he brutally murdered two people who loved and trusted him, one of whom he should have protected at all costs.
Trust me, no one will condone the murder of innocents but also, nobody seems to realize Benoit was under the influence of Dementia, HE WASNT IN HIS RIGHT MIND...Nowinski saw his brain and said it looked like a eighty-something year old man, it was mush. That was from putting in 100% effort in his matches to entertain US. The man sacrificed his mind and basically his life..for US. So no, you will never hear me disrespect Benoit ever, even after he became lost. I, as a fan, owe him that.
right, but you missed the point. i was talking about the hatred going from personal life to the wrestling ring, you have to seperate the 2. i can see little kids getting all pissed because theyre...kids. they really dont know any better, and seeing Hurricane being arrested..of course thats gonna turn them against him. but what about the adults? do you honestly believe the adults are gonna get all sad about what Hurricane did and all of a sudden hate him in matches based on real life perception? Orton, yeah he may be a prick outside of the ring, but thats no reason to hate on his talent IN the ring. because its 2 different worlds, sure its fine to hate them in the real world...but wrestling is a fantasy world, at some point people have to stop and think "should i really allow hatred of someone in the real world into something thats a fantasy?" the older fans arent gonna lose sleep over Helms being arrested, because if they see him on tv...who the hell cares? they get to see him showcase his talents.

again with the Benoit thing, yeah i lost respect for him as a man, a human being...but im not gonna be ignorant and disregard anything hes ever done in the business, thats just plain ignorance on my part. im not gonna hate him for what he did in a wrestling ring, because of what happened in his personal life, because again the real world and the wrestling world are 2 totally different things. thats like saying i have to hate someone from a football team because he smokes weed, regardless of what happens on the football field
You don't get under the influence of dementia, it's a disease. People who suffer from it tend to forget things, people, places; you're more likely to lose someone to wandering away and dying from exposure to the elements because they forgot where they live, than a murder/suicide. Those that do commit suicide usually do so after prognosis because they don't want to be a burden on their family or hate the idea of losing their mind. I read the autopsy reports, the stories about his behavior leading up to the murders, and even Nowinski's report; for me the dementia diagnosis really doesn't explain or excuse what he did.
his brain was a prune from all the concussions due to all the head trauma...if that doesnt cause dementia i dont know what does
That's up to you. But I'm not about to let real-life ruin what he'd accomplished in his career especially after taking a billion shots to the head unprotected, just to make shit look real
CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:
right, but you missed the point. i was talking about the hatred going from personal life to the wrestling ring, you have to seperate the 2. i can see little kids getting all pissed because theyre...kids. they really dont know any better, and seeing Hurricane being arrested..of course thats gonna turn them against him. but what about the adults? do you honestly believe the adults are gonna get all sad about what Hurricane did and all of a sudden hate him in matches based on real life perception? Orton, yeah he may be a prick outside of the ring, but thats no reason to hate on his talent IN the ring. because its 2 different worlds, sure its fine to hate them in the real world...but wrestling is a fantasy world, at some point people have to stop and think "should i really allow hatred of someone in the real world into something thats a fantasy?" the older fans arent gonna lose sleep over Helms being arrested, because if they see him on tv...who the hell cares? they get to see him showcase his talents.

Hey, that's the way that people are. They're well within their right not to choose to like someone based on their personal life, it's easy to think that there are some people who won't lose sleep over Helms and Jericho being arrested; but seeing how easily some fans turn on someone based on backstage reports, I've seen that there are fans that will. Once you become famous, your private life is now public life, there are people out there who won't even go and see an Angelina Jolie movie because they consider her a homewrecker, so yeah, people will let their dislike of someone's private life influence how they feel about that person in the fantasy world.

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again with the Benoit thing, yeah i lost respect for him as a man, a human being...but im not gonna be ignorant and disregard anything hes ever done in the business, thats just plain ignorance on my part. im not gonna hate him for what he did in a wrestling ring, because of what happened in his personal life, because again the real world and the wrestling world are 2 totally different things. thats like saying i have to hate someone from a football team because he smokes weed, regardless of what happens on the football field

Not choosing to like him based on what he did isn't ignorant, it's making a choice to no longer respect a man who did something so horrific you can no longer look at him the same way again. I will acknowledge that he did a lot for the business, but any good that he did will be forever tainted by the monstrous acts he committed against his family. Once he committed murder, he no longer was doing something in his private life as far as the law is concerned.
I never said that he didn't have dementia, but that the diagnosis really doesn't explain or excuse what he did for me.

Even today some people do cling to the belief that he didn't do it and blame Kevin Sullivan or worse; cite that conspiracy theory that Nancy killed David and an enraged Chris killed her after finding out what she did. I know that I have to acknowledge that lot of people out there still want to believe in that image they have of Chris Benoit, that image of the loving husband, the loving father, and that perfect wrestler who they idolized; it's fine if anyone else wants to still do it, like I said, they're well withing their rights. But for this former fan, I honestly can't do it.
Hey, you say that all day long but you haven't taken a billion unprotected shots to the head for our entertainment and neither have I, nor, I'm sure, both of us would want to. If someone was willing to do that to himself, allowing all that fake shit to look real then have the side effect of having his brain shrunken to the size of a damn walnut to the point where he couldnt even think straight, I'm not going to disrespect what he'd done in his career. I'm not condoning what he did in the end but I'm not going to be black-and-white on the matter either and just say 'I cant believe I liked that guy' and completely piss on what he did. His career and personal life were seperate; that's like saying I hate Edge because he had an affair with Matt Hardy's chick even though that has nothing to deal with the business in front of the camera (although later it did). I might dislike him as a person (I dont by the way) or whatever but I'm not about to bash his career for it. Same thing with Benoit.


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CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:


Now onto the praising of wrestlers constantly. Take Cena for example...sure he may be a nice guy in real life...but his wrestling sucks, and his gimmick is stale and boring. Some people say hes inspirational...i call bullshit. Any time a guy repeats the same fucking lines like "i never back down and i never quit" and "youre going to war" in EVERY feud hes ever in, how is that supposed to be inspiring? Its the same shit, if i wanted to be motivated, id go to a motivational speaker.

Personally, I blame the WWE for this. A lot of people were Cena marks during his Smackdown run, I mean everyone was riding this guy's dick as the next big thing' but once it became really obvious that the WWE was going to make him their next champion, it was all downhill after that. The signs were there, we should've seen it. First he stopped doing his own material and started spouting the good guy crap that he does today, then he ends JBL's long run with the WWE title in a match that people complained about since the match was so short, add in the Cenafication of the WWE title, the move to RAW, being kiddiefied, and John Cena was ruined! RUINED! Oh god, they made him write JBL is Poopy on JBL's limo...I can never get over that shit, I mean, what the hell?! John's father is attacked by a heel and he chooses to not screw over the dude at every turn, to not attack him (Title match be damned) and get his revenge; no, John Cena is going to do the right thing because we want kids to do the right thing. Why don't you just have him come out and tell us to take our vitamins and say our prayers WWE writers. John Cena was better off as a tweener rapper on Smackdown doing his own material, but thanks to the writers and the PG Era; he is now the most hated Face in wrestling.

This is true for a lot of the stars in the WWE right now, all of them are stale and say the same bland crap over and over again. Any time someone becomes slightly interesting or the fans show interest in them, the WWE decides to "work on them as the next_______" and the character is ruined. I didn't like Edge since his dumb blond E&C days, but a lot of fans loved the Rated R Superstar. Eventually the character got stale, then came the feud with The Undertaker and Edge went psycho and started chasing around Viki, I got interested and the fans got interested; then he leaves and comes back as the Rated R Superstar and the Ultimate Opportunist with new Awesome Beard, making out with the wife he swore to drag to hell...damn you WWE.
Jordan Harvey Version 1.0 wrote:
Hey, you say that all day long but you haven't taken a billion unprotected shots to the head for our entertainment and neither have I, nor, I'm sure, both of us would want to. If someone was willing to do that to himself, allowing all that fake shit to look real then have the side effect of having his brain shrunken to the size of a damn walnut to the point where he couldn't even think straight

This is my problem with the dementia argument, if he couldn't think straight. There is no way he could've been functioning the way that he did before the murders (calling and canceling his appearance at the PPV, sending messages to friends to inform them of where the dogs were, going to the doctors) let alone remembering any moves in a wrestling match. In my opinion, I think this was something that was building up and he finally snapped in the most horrifying way possible. He won't be the first guy to snap and kill his love ones and as royally fucked up as our world is, I doubt he'll be the last.

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I'm not going to disrespect what he'd done in his career. I'm not condoning what he did in the end but I'm not going to be black-and-white on the matter either and just say 'I cant believe I liked that guy' and completely piss on what he did.

Who said I was pissing on what he did in the ring, I said I acknowledge what he did as a wrestler, but I can no longer enjoy his work because his final act on this earth was so awful that his legacy has been tainted and the WWE wants to distance themselves so far from him that they continue to this day to cut him from their programing (something that I'm against since I see that as a form of censorship) and their official records(Censorship again). Each time I look at him I remember that the guy I once admired was not the man I thought he was, what I feel is perfectly normal and not even close to a black or white issue, but gray.

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His career and personal life were seperate; that's like saying I hate Edge because he had an affair with Matt Hardy's chick even though that has nothing to deal with the business in front of the camera (although later it did). I might dislike him as a person or whatever but I'm not abut to bash his career for it. Same thing with Benoit.

This isn't like he was cheating on his wife, he committed a crime, and crimes are a public act even if they're committed in the privacy of your home. I never once bashed his career, but said that I can no longer respect the guy. In all honestly, just thinking of what went down that day and what his wife and son were thinking in their last moments sickens me to the point where I can no longer look at his image or look at his matches the same way. I won't ask you to hate the guy, you're well within your right to continue liking him all you want; but you can't ask me to pretend the weekend of June 22, 2007 never happened, I just can't.
CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:

Another topic, is the race thing. Who gives a hairy rats ass if a girl is blonde with big boobs and a big ass, or a black chick with the same thing...its supposed to be about the fucking wrestling.

I don't, but in the WWE it's not about wrestling; it's about hiring models who do crappy drop kicks, but a rather nice pictorial for the magazines they couldn't get into until the WWE hired them and talked the magazine into giving them a try! The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously Icon_wink But with the current crop of divas, you can't really use the term wrestling in the same sentence.


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It makes me sick when fans have to go "they'll push the blond bimbo but they wont push my faves cause they're black". BullSHIT, its about having the talent, and the charisma to connect with the crowd, and if a so called "blond bimbo" has both and a black female wrestler doesn't...so fucking what.

Really, you can't use the words talent and charisma when it comes to the current crop of divas. That's like using exciting and innovative when it comes to that awful period in which the WWE spent PPV after PPV doing nothing but John Cena vs. Randy Orton....ugh flashbacks to that time...stay strong. The Dead-O-Logue: Why Wrestling Shouldnt Be Taken Seriously 234262

But, I get why some people would make that argument since you have someone like Michelle McCool who is wooden and charisma-less as top heel, while her more charismatic black partner is playing her lacky; for some, that screams racism since the last black girl she was partnered with showed more charisma than her and was sent over to RAW. But the fact remains, Michelle has more in-ring experience while Layla doesn't; Layla has more Charisma and can work a crowd while Michelle can't. Since being put together, Michelle now has Layla to play off of in promos; while Layla has Michelle to teach her some important in-ring skills. If Layla sticks around long enough and learns how to wrestle as well as Michelle, she could very well see title gold. If there is any racial problem that I have with the black divas, it's the fact that the WWE continues to book their black divas as generic heels, I thought they were going to break the pattern with Krystal Marshall but they were planning on turning her heel before she quit and when Alicia teamed up with DJ Gabriel and became a dancing baby-face, I thought she had broken the pattern; but sadly she's now Generic Heel#5...no onscreen heel turn, just doing the generic heel strut to the ring to signal that she's now bitchy.


But at the end of the day, the majority of the divas suck because they're models who don't know shit about wrestling, don't know how to work a crowd, don't care about learning how to wrestle, don't care if they slop up in the ring, and don't care about building their ring persona and character; those chicks and the WWE only care about what magazine they'll be on the cover of. Which is why the current group consists of Smiling Babyface #1 or Bitchy Heel #3.


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The crowd makes or breaks you as a wrestler, with cheers or dead fucking silence, and to place the blame of a lackluster reaction on a black worker because she isn't white is horrendous. Racism is all around in this country, but it should NOT be allowed to get into shit that we all love to sit back and enjoy, such as wrestling, sports etc. Leave the racism at home folks, because the more you spit that bullshit, the less fun it is for the rest of us to sit back and watch it with you. This goes for the white fans too.

I wish this were true, that the crowds still had that much power; but sadly, we're being force fed wrestlers whether we like them or not. That's why you currently have people who get no reaction holding the title belts while more over wrestlers are sidelined.
CM Dead, Your Savior wrote:


Marks...gotta love em. These are the ones that make people want to choke the ever loving piss outta them on most occasions. They piss moan and b***** about a different opinion, but feel the need to give a different opinion of their own. I remember on a non wrestling forum, i told some Jeff Hardy mark that Hardy sucks, and he told me to go fuck a toaster, then felt the need to express why he can give his opinion. All i could do was go wow, because this kid basically told me only hes allowed to give a opinion and i have to agree with what he said, regardless if it was fact or fiction. They're also ignorant to other fans opinions, because they know they cant handle negative opinion, so they either ignore it, or try to insult them like a idiot.

This needed to be quoted again, because that's exactly how I feel about fucking fangirls; god I hate those chicks. I actually had a run in with an Orton fangirl on a Soap Opera message board and she harassed me all the time because she found my signature to be "offensive" because it was of a couple that she didn't like and yet hers was of Orton giving the RKO to Stacy...WTH?!
*comes back into the room with a energy drink and wipes sleep out of eyes*

God, you're still here? Everybody's left!!!!!
she basically agreed with those parts, so i dont really have a counter to it lol
 

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