Team Lay-Cool to Mentor on NXT Season Two

I love Alicia, Layla and Michelle and will not choose With that said, WWE would be foolish to release Foxxy, FOOLISH!

Prince Blue wrote:

I love Alicia, Layla and Michelle and will not choose With that said, WWE would be foolish to release Foxxy, FOOLISH!

She's been on the chopping block since her feud with Melina, her alliance with Zack Ryder saved her and now that that is done.......guess what....buh bye!! :whipitgood

They obviously have plans for Alicia since she turned on Ryder. She'll probably go back in the women's division

Mintz i agree that without McCool, Layla would still be irrelevant, and prolly on a chopping block.

but now shes HAD McCool, her going into obscruity again would be weird, as she is one of the top divas, so once shes away from LayCool, im sure she can build her own legacy...at least i hope :S

Queen Mintz wrote:

They obviously have plans for Alicia since she turned on Ryder. She'll probably go back in the women's division

OR Because Zack Ryder is in line for a push, they decided to break the alliance between him and Alicia Fox, because from what i hear, Ryder is in line for a push.

While Alicia Fox will be going back to Randomly floating around doing nada ........as usual

LL/BL/RL wrote:

Mintz i agree that without McCool, Layla would still be irrelevant, and prolly on a chopping block.

but now shes HAD McCool, her going into obscruity again would be weird, as she is one of the top divas, so once shes away from LayCool, im sure she can build her own legacy...at least i hope :S

Definitely, she can go to Raw and get the Divas Title <333 (a few years from now)

Laycool seems like they will be a longterm duo :ewwa:

theyve been going whether it be official or not for the last 12 months

LL/BL/RL wrote:

Mintz i agree that without McCool, Layla would still be irrelevant, and prolly on a chopping block.

but now shes HAD McCool, her going into obscruity again would be weird, as she is one of the top divas, so once shes away from LayCool, im sure she can build her own legacy...at least i hope :S

There is a rule on SD, you either feud with Michelle or take a back seat, so unless her plans are to be moved to Raw and used in their regular rotation of Divas, her alliance with Michelle gone is her career gone. And she can just sit out 6 months and float around and be part of Michelle's line of victims, you know 3 months feud with melina, then 3 with Beth, then 3 with Layla.....she can be part of that rotation if she wants

I'm sure they've realized now that Layla is pretty decent and doesn't deserve to job all the time

Kev, the way I see it is she turned on him, made him look like a fool so I see better things for her than him at the moment. If he had turned on her it would've been a different story but I dunno, we'll see what happens next week

I dunno this whole 'Laycool' thing has helped both girls and they seem to be really close friends so if McCool really does run shit backstage, I can see her taking a backseat just so her BFF gets her chance to shine.

Prince Blue wrote:

I dunno this whole 'Laycool' thing has helped both girls and they seem to be really close friends so if McCool really does run shit backstage, I can see her taking a backseat just so her BFF gets her chance to shine.

Michelle takes a backseat to no one.......you are soo naive....it makes me sick.

Erm Blue, if Michelle was gonna do that she would've already done it but instead she HAS to be a co champ

Queen Mintz wrote:

Erm Blue, if Michelle was gonna do that she would've already done it but instead she HAS to be a co champ

But on WWE.com Layla is so I have hope

Well yes, we all know Layla is the real champ and we know Michelle came up with the idea for the co champs storyline just so she could be in the spotlight as always

we dont KNOW shit. we ASSUME, well i wont say we, i dont like making loads of assumptions

I think it's obvious with as much pull Michelle has that she throws ideas out. Their "Jealousy is an ugly disease, get well soon" line they used recently was from a huge Michelle fan who Michelle follows on twitter and she tweeted that line to Michelle.

Lol @LL, I give every wrestler a fair chance as long as they can WRESTLE. Indy wrestling is 10 times better than the mainstream and always will be. If I lived in a Indy bubble, I wouldn't watch WWE and TNA now would I

@CP: I would of liked for his pro to be Bourne but if they HAD to pick a diva it shoulda been Gail Kim, not 2 bitches that can't wrestle. I woulda been fine with Gail or Natalya

I'm not even gonna give Blue a rebuttal

@Hailey: you watch wrestling for 5 minutes and then do something else, IMO that's not being a real fan so anytime you disagree with me I just laugh it off

LMAO

The woman was the First Divas Champion in history

The Woman is the First woman to hold both the Divas & Women's championship in History

The Woman made Natalya (Who reportedly she was giving wrestling "tips") tap out.

The Woman is The First Ever Co-Women's Champion in WWE Hsitory

NOW She is The First Woman to be a NXT Mentor

The WOMAN HAS YET TO BE PART OF ANY OTHER ROSTER IN THE WWE EXCEPT FOR SMACKDOWN SINCE HER DEBUT BACK IN 2005 AND HER RETURN IN 2006.

Also She was pushing.......well Taker was pushing for her to wrestler Trish last year at Mania.

She has been in MAJOR storylines with Mickie James, Beth Phoenix & Melina, WWE's TOP women and no other Diva in the WWE has had this privilage as yet. Well Alicia Fox had both Melina & Mickie but those two feuds combine equal 4 weeks.

So i think People are done "Asuming" and everything is becomming pretty clear.

She'll probably be the first ever unified women's champion too

Fun Fact: Michelle McCool has never lost a singles match at a WWE pay-per-view. Oh wait, she lost at the rumble didn't she? I believe that's her only loss

Queen Mintz wrote:

She'll probably be the first ever unified women's champion too

Fun Fact: Michelle McCool has never lost a singles match at a WWE pay-per-view. Oh wait, she lost at the rumble didn't she? I believe that's her only loss

she lost at Extreme Rules too. Didn't she lose at Unforgiven08

Oh yeah, Beth.

I can't remember that far back

no D she beat Maryse

ahh, well shows you how much i care

indeed it does

As far as merchantdise, I know they want LayCool merchantdise but what about other divas getting merchantdise?

It will be sad if LayCool are the only divas with their own merchantdise.

Like I said, it seems WWE acts like Michelle is the ONLY Diva on the roster. Shes not, they need to give the others some attention.

Isn't Cena the only Superstar with merchandise? DX aren't no longer together so they dont count.

^No Orton, Edge, MVP, HHH, Sheamus, Kofi, Matt Hardy and Many others all have merchantdise.

all the wrestlers have some sort of merchandise for you to buy

Ugh, after reading Kevin's post with all those accolades that the WWE heaped upon Michelle despite the fact that she needs two people to help get her over; I find myself completely nauseated knowing full well that as long as this chick continues to fuck Taker, she will be shoved down everyone's throats.

Ugh, stop blaming the Undertaker already. If it was the Undertaker who was pushing for her, shed never lose matches ever and Layla wouldn't be womens champion right now. It's NOT the Undertaker as the reason she's pushed so much

God wrote:

Ugh, stop blaming the Undertaker already. If it was the Undertaker who was pushing for her, shed never lose matches ever and Layla wouldn't be womens champion right now. It's NOT the Undertaker as the reason she's pushed so much

Agree. Managaement like her because of her work ethic. I mean honestly Taker near the downside of his career and is hurt. So he probably got very little saying in stuff going on backstage wise even though he is respected and done alot for wwe. They ain't gonna put over a girl he is with cause she is with him.
I mean under this theory kelly kelly would be divas champion when she was sleeping with batista and we would be saying that's how melina got her reign cause Batista had backstage power. As much as people don't want to hear it management loves her cause the work she puts in and she offers to help the other divas which makes upper management think very highly of her plus she is a pure athelete who got a strong work ethic.

Sorry, but I'm going to lay that blame right there with him. If you can give me another reason why she's pushed to the moon and back in spite of her lackluster reactions and non-mic skills that doesn't involve Undertaker, I'll change my mind, but in my opinion; without him, her talents would've been used to help build up the more over divas as credible wrestlers before she would be future endeavored.

Oh and Michelle hardly loses matches and Layla is barely a women's champion; she has to share the glory with Michelle as her co-champion, if the roles were reverse, you wouldn't see Layla walking around calling herself a co-champion with Michelle after Michelle made the pin. Anyway, Layla's reign is probably nothing more than an easy way for the WWE to transition the title to Kelly Kelly, who will eventually lose it back to Michelle McCool.

God wrote:

Ugh, stop blaming the Undertaker already. If it was the Undertaker who was pushing for her, shed never lose matches ever and Layla wouldn't be womens champion right now. It's NOT the Undertaker as the reason she's pushed so much

DEAD IS OFFICIALLY A MARK!!!!

You are kidding yourself if you think he has no blame for her monster push, the one guy that Vince values more than Triple H? Kidding yourself if he is not looking out for his girl.

Still <3 Michelle though!

You're an idiot if you actually think he uses his pull like HHH does, lol. Also, everyone wants to ignore the fact that management also has a hand in it, and I dare someone to prove me wrong. All everyone sees is that she's dating Taker and doesn't pay attention to common sense. Also, lol @ the Stephanie comment....2 things, she wasn't a active wrestler AND she was the valet of a guy who was WWE champion every month. Gimme a break

The point is that Taker has backstage pull and McCool is his gf, it's pretty obvious dead. However, I will agree that management ultimately decides things.

this is so hilarious.

Well call me an idiot, because everyone in the WWE with the slightest amount of influence uses their pull; some abuse the fuck out of it (HHH) while others use it every now and then to shoot down ideas like Mysterio who refused to lose the IC title to Dolph Ziggler and Undertaker who handpicked Kane to end his WM streak only to have Kane turn down the offer.

No one in the WWE is with pull is above using it for various personal reasons, even your favorites.

As for management, they're suppose to have the final say, but they're more than willing to change storylines and matches to keep their stars happy or de-push and fire the poor idiot who pissed them off that month.

Hey Vix, hand me a bag of that Orville Redenbacher

so, you read my other post where i said he doesnt use his pull like a guy like HHH would. its like i said, if Michelle McCool were like Stephanie McMahon and had THAT kind of pull, shed never lose EVER and the Undertaker would be world champion every month. but she doesnt, thank you for furthering my argument on that matter

I just wanna say...

just because taker doesnt abuse his pull like HHH does, doesnt mean he doesnt use it. Didnt Taker get Punk put in the doghouse because a small comment Punk made about Cena?

so Taker does use his pull at some point, just like everyone is trying to tell you, Dead. He tried to use it in the past as well when he pushed for Michelle vs Trish at Mania. It just didnt work out.

So yes Taker does use his pull and considering he has attempted to use it in the past (to get that match for Michelle with Trish) I dont doubt he has used it again recently. and No I am not saying this is all Taker's fault but I do think he has had some say in this. If he can get Punk, a bright star and big name in WWE, put in the doghouse then i dont doubt he can get some strings pulled for McTwigglet.

anyway, carry on.

*passes popcorn to Lauren*

And I thank you God for ignoring my posts where I pointed out that Undertaker was not above using his influence, ignoring the other post where I pointed out that she rarely loses and how even though she's not officially the women's champion she's still in the title scene as "co-champion". Stephanie McMahon with all her power in the WWE still lost a match or two, but at the same time she was given the women's title by virtue of her birth instead of having actual wrestling skills and had several victories over people who could probably run circles around her in the ring...much like Miss McCool. As for Undertaker not having the title every single month, we can attribute that to his age and his ongoing problems with his injuries. I'm willing to bet if he was younger and didn't have so many injury problems, like John Cena, he would be the one that the WWE would be putting the title on every other month; not that I blame them if they did since he's over as hell, his merchandise sells like crazy, and he can put on decent matches.

I'm so about to catch hell from the McCool fans, but to me, there is no real reason why Michelle McCool should be given the superwoman push that she's given; without a good program and another heel and an over babyface to play off on, she flounders. She's not that great on the mic, and she doesn't connect with the audience, with both her solo face and heel runs it seemed like she was going through the motions and playing the generic face and heel instead of giving herself any character. The only thing she has going for her is the fact that she's a good in the ring and can make women with less talent look great in a match, but there have been similar girls like her who were good in the ring but not over and that still didn't save them from being fired. So why was Michelle saved from such a similar fate? Why is she given such honors while others who were more over are ignored? To me it, it's because she's dating someone who management has high regard for; you may not like my opinion on why I think that's why she's pushed, but it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it until someone can prove to me otherwise.

Why can't people just see that Michelle is where she is because of her wrestling skills, not because of the Undertaker? She was being pushed before Undertaker came onto the scene, but she just got injured.

Lets take a look at something- Four years into Trish's career, and she was a 5 time womens champion. Five years into Michelle's career, and she is a two time womens champion and divas champion. She wrestles circles around Trish, but people won't admit that because of the starpower Trish has and because of the overness/character she had.

This is something that really bugs me. People are willing to accept Maryse's pushes because she has a character, but is a average wrestler, yet they can't accept the third/second best womens wrestler currently in the WWE because she is seen as boring, which I honestly don't see. Sure, she comes out of most fueds looking solid, but she was the most overpushed diva in the history of the WWE, almost always coming out of the fued victorious- Victoria, Jazz, Molly (I believe), Lita, Mickie (she didn't regain the title but she was booked stronger). And then look at her in her last year. Effortlessly defeating Mickie and Victoria, who were two of her strongest rivals back in the day. Did Trish have any backstage pulls? No, yet she was still constantly pushed. If Trish was dating Undertaker, everyone would have assumed she got to where she was because of him.

Two things!

1. It really is great to see "mature" debates without all of that petty name calling, I thank you all for that.

2. Lots of potential best poster nominees in here

carry on

X, maryse hasnt been dominating the same show for almost 5 years.

atm, Eve is the champion on raw...something fresh and new (even if she sucks) and yet on SD...we thought we got something fresh and new and once again Michelle has weaseled her way back into the title scene with the co-champions nonsense.

no one is saying this is all Taker's fault because we know it isnt. But either way Michelle is getting a superwoman push that hasnt halted since she returned from injury. and she isnt that great of a wrestler like everyone keeps making her out to be. There are many divas on the roster who could wrestle circles around her but they wont ever be given a shot because SD is basically McCool's World. It's beyond irritating to see her getting so much notoriety meanwhile on Raw you have 3 girls who are decent in the ring but completely lost in the shuffle (Alicia Jillian and Gail)

I'm going to catch more hate...but...I hate Maryse and her push as well, to me she can't wrestle for shit: Go in the ring, hair flip, slap, mock, opponent makes mistake, French Kiss, WIN! There I just wrote most of Maryse's matches for the year. I bet if they could, the WWE would use that chamber from The Fly and merge her with Michelle so they can finally have an over female wrestler with great skills and character. I'm also not fond of Trish Stratus and bitched many a time over the fact that her year long reign was made possible because the WWE allowed her to sit out an injury with the belt instead of stripping her of the title...oh and I lothe the fact that people continue to prop her up as "The Bestest Female Wrestler EVAR!" I assumed that the WWE loved pushing her so much because she was a diva that they created,she moved a ton of merch for a female, and she fit their diva ideal image. But if I ever find a picture of her naked spanking Vince McMahon you can bet I'll starting bitching that she got ahead because of screwing a man at the top.

Rated X Superstar wrote:

Why can't people just see that Michelle is where she is because of her wrestling skills, not because of the Undertaker? She was being pushed before Undertaker came onto the scene, but she just got injured.

When was this? Because I could remember her being sent to DSW for over a year because Stephanie was not a fan of hers, her accent and her mic work. Wait Stephanie McMahon was never a fan of hers.

Rated X Superstar wrote:

Lets take a look at something- Four years into Trish's career, and she was a 5 time womens champion. Five years into Michelle's career, and she is a two time womens champion and divas champion. She wrestles circles around Trish, but people won't admit that because of the starpower Trish has and because of the overness/character she had.

You can’t compare Trish’s achievements and Michelle’s achievements. Because let’s face it, 6 months ago Trish will be remembered as the woman to be a multi time women’s champion, Babe of the Year 3 years in a row and Diva of the Decade. Michelle will be remembered as the First Woman to do anything, Trish didn’t. Only Michelle.

Rated X Superstar wrote:

This is something that really bugs me. People are willing to accept Maryse's pushes because she has a character, but is a average wrestler, yet they can't accept the third/second best womens wrestler currently in the WWE because she is seen as boring, which I honestly don't see.

I don’t mind Maryse’s push or Eve for that matter, because they are part of a rotation of women who have been featured on Raw. Michelle has been the only feature on Smackdown. No one else. I seriously think you don’t see the difference in the treatment Maryse is getting and the one Michelle is getting.

Rated X Superstar wrote:

Sure, she comes out of most fueds looking solid, but she was the most overpushed diva in the history of the WWE, almost always coming out of the fued victorious- Victoria, Jazz, Molly (I believe), Lita, Mickie (she didn't regain the title but she was booked stronger). And then look at her in her last year. Effortlessly defeating Mickie and Victoria, who were two of her strongest rivals back in the day. Did Trish have any backstage pulls? No, yet she was still constantly pushed. If Trish was dating Undertaker, everyone would have assumed she got to where she was because of him.

Trish had LOADS of pull backstage, but they just almost never took her THAT seriously, Trish wanted to drop the title to Victoria in the summer of 2005 when she was injured for 3 months but WWE said no. Trish was the ONLY woman in wrestling history and one of few to get part of the earnings from her merchandise. I believe she made 10% from everything that was sold that had any connection to her.

And trust me, Trish may have been OVERPUSHED but Out of the 5 years in the WWE she became a 5 time women’s champion, we did get to see Molly feud with Victoria, we did get to see other GREAT feuds for the for the championship that did not feature Trish. Because Trish could be used outside of the division as well. Now looking back at 2007 to today since the introduction of a championship on Smackdown, how many Championship feuds on Smackdown have not featured Michelle? EVEN NOW that she is in a championship circle, she gets to do that AND be on NXT while there are other women struggling to get air time with no role. Mickie took a back seat, Melina took a back seat, Maryse took a back seat, Beth took a back seat, while Michelle goes and sits in the passengers seat.

FURTHER MORE. IF they want to increase and market Michelle isn’t it smart to put her on the brand where 40% of the WWE Universe will get to watch her, because let’s face it NXT, Superstars & Smackdown viewers combined are only 80% of the total amount of viewers on Raw. So why have her on Smackdown for 4 years, basicly tearing anything that comes her way apart and try to “Sell” her to increase the sales in merchandise while having her on the brand that only 20% of the WWE Universe watches and is available in less homes then the USA network. Because I could assure you not everyone has MyNetwork TV or whatever.

They have went up and out of their way to pull women who are on top on the flagship show and move them to SD only to be demolished by Michelle. If this was 2 years ago I would say fine they are building the division, but the division has been built and concrete, no more need to drag everyone and anyone to Smackdown. Because last I could remember Mickie moving to Smackdown was a demotion, so after all these 4 years of hogging the spotlight and seemingly the most “important” woman in the WWE, the one many in “management” is so high on and has to sell merchandise for the WWE, when is she going to be “promoted” to Raw since SD is seen as a demotion?

Oh yeah, neverery because despite everyone being completely ignorant on how much backstage pull Michelle has, every single superstar in the WWE has changed brands at least one…Michelle since 2005, hasn’t changed EVER. Again EVER.

Rated X Superstar wrote:

yet they can't accept the third/second best womens wrestler currently in the WWE because she is seen as boring, which I honestly don't see.

Michelle is FAR from the third or even second best women's wrestler on the roster.

Beth Phoenix, Gail Kim & Natalya have more talent in their left pinky then Michelle could EVER HAVE.

Serena, Melina & Jillian Hall have SHIT loads more talent then Michelle.

So how you asume Michelle is the third or even second best wrestler currently in the WWE is beyond me seeing that ALL the women just mentioned have out performed Michelle at one point of their career.

Beth vs. Melina & her Shimmer & OVW matches all shits on Michelle's best work.
Gail Kim vs. Kong Matches, shits on Michelle's best work
Natalya's indy stuffs, shits all over Michelle's best work.
Jillian's indy work, SHITS all over Michelle's best work.
Melina's stuff with Mickie, Trish & Beth, better then all Michelle;s best work.
Serena vs. Sara Del Rey on Shimmer, one of the top 25 best women's matches of all time.

So for you to say Michelle is the second/third best wrestler you overlooked a shit load of women and further more even if you say those who isn't injured, Serena, Gail,Natalya & Jillian could easily out perfrorm Michelle. So meh that asumption is still wrong and just show how HIGHLY you think of Michelle, but much like Melina, i could make a list of the best women's wrestlers today and i doubt seeing either making it as one of the top 30 based purely on wrestling.

Lauren wrote:

I'm going to catch more hate...but...I hate Maryse and her push as well, to me she can't wrestle for shit: Go in the ring, hair flip, slap, mock, opponent makes mistake, French Kiss, WIN! There I just wrote most of Maryse's matches for the year. I bet if they could, the WWE would use that chamber from The Fly and merge her with Michelle so they can finally have an over female wrestler with great skills and character. I'm also not fond of Trish Stratus and bitched many a time over the fact that her year long reign was made possible because the WWE allowed her to sit out an injury with the belt instead of stripping her of the title...oh and I lothe the fact that people continue to prop her up as "The Bestest Female Wrestler EVAR!" I assumed that the WWE loved pushing her so much because she was a diva that they created,she moved a ton of merch for a female, and she fit their diva ideal image. But if I ever find a picture of her naked spanking Vince McMahon you can bet I'll starting bitching that she got ahead because of screwing a man at the top.

nah...there's maybe 2 maryse fans on this forum and neither of us are going to argue about her. We'll still love her at the end of the day even if most of the forum hates her guts.

Lol oops that was a stupid moment of mine, I could only think of Melina and Beth xD I completely forgot Natalya, Serena, Jillian and Gail.

I do think highly of Michelle in many ways, as I've always seen great potential in her since the beginning. I do think its justified though, as it isn't one of those "omg Maria had a decent match!" type of things. Michelle can wrestle, and in five years she has really come a long way. I understand though that many people won't credit her for that, as she came from the frowned upon diva search, and started out as a rookie, whereas people like Beth, Mickie, Gail, Lita already were accomplished in the ring from the getgo. Its harder to look at someone we saw sucking and saying they are a good wrestler so many years later.

Michelle is boring, but since she has turned heel, I can't miss a segment of hers because she just entertains me. What entertains me, and what entertains everyone else is bound to be different, but I really see improvement in her charisma and mic work since a year or so ago when she was a face. Now that WWE is actually focusing on the divas on Smackdown, Michelle has been getting reactions, even if medicore. Its harsh to say its completely her fault shes boring, when divas like her, Gail, Alicia, etc never had the chances that people like Trish, Lita & Sable had. Lita and Trish got the opportunity to Main Event Raw/Smackdown and be involved with The Rock, Kurt Angle, the Hardy Boys, and all other people in the company who were the most over. Vickie wasn't over until she began becoming involved with the main stars, and then she got huge heat. The sad thing is, most divas after 2003 never got this opportunity.

People like Mickie and Melina became over because the division was focused on in 2005-7, and they were involved in tons of backstage segments and great matches and storylines which allowed them to develop a character. Melina was the screaming manager for MNM, who screwed three of Smackdown's most over faces (Batista, Eddie & Rey) out of tag gold. Mickie had the luxury of fueding with Trish. EVERY week she had a segment with or without Trish were she could develop. These days, they just had matches. Of course noone will get into them. The reason noone got into Gail was because she never had these segments.

But lately, we have had Michelle vs Melina which was medicore, but did start shaping Smackdown in the right direction. Mickie vs LayCool and Beth vs Laycool with Vickie's involvement finally gave that glimpse again. WE WERE ACTUALLY GETTING A DEVELOPED STORYLINE! Laycool and Mickie/Beth were featured nearly every week in a backstage/or in ring segment. Beth had never been over, yet just from a few segments of her talking she became over. Its slowly working for LayCool, because the division is actually focused on.

It makes me wonder if Michelle was out of the picture, would WWE even bother? Sure, she is overpushed, but if she wasn't there, we might be stuck with lackluster 2008-9 generic fueds. In 10 years time people won't remember Melina vs Alicia, they'll remember LayCool and Piggie Mickie, and Vickie screwing Beth, and her huge return. There hasn't been a storyline this focused on since Trish/Mickie, and thats really pathetic.

I do think Michelle needs a break from the division, but honestly I don't think it will improve whatsoever with her gone. We will just get generic fueds because the WWE just won't care. Whenever Trish & Lita were out of the division, the division suffered IMO. This would be the same case.

If WWE focused on Jillian, Melina, Beth & Michelle, the division would be perfect IMO.