Kelly Kelly,Eve and Bella Twins Diva Legends????

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With All Four No Longer Part In WWE Can They Be Considered Diva Legends For What All 4 Have Left Behind In WWE??.All Four Maybe Not Be Remembered for the Weestling But they were Used For Other Things These Four Were All Top Postergirls And Were Somewhat Over with the Crowd.They Were All Used To Promote WWE On Posters,TV,Video Games,Etc.If Torrie And Stacy Were Considered Legends For The Same Reasons Can These Four Be considered The Same Way?.You Dont Have To Be Wrestler To Considered A Legend.Also This Is For Only Diva Legends Not Women Of Wrestling Legends.

But why just Eve why Not Kelly and Bella's?.Your only Saying Eve because Shes the better wrestler out of the 4.

Yeah, Eve's the closest, and she didn't really come into her own until her heel turn. The Eve-Brie feud for the Championship was completely overshadowed by LayCool, then Kharma. The follow-up Championship feud, Kelly-Brie, was notable only for how bad it was. The Divas Championship is still trying to recover from it.

But, even if we leave the wrestling out of it, compare these four as a unit to the Big Four of the Golden Era: Trish, Lita, Stacy, & Torrie. Even Kelly wasn't close to any of them in popularity, number of magazine covers, videos, and other merchandise sold, let alone the Bellas.

But the thing is your not comparing anything If Torrie & Stacy are considered Legends why can't Kelly And Bella's Be Atleast be Where they Are?.I don't Think Kelly/Brie feud was that Bad And it Didn't ruin the Divas Championship.I feel like some people just wanna ignore the fact that Kelly Kelly Was A Good Champion and had the best Run with Atleast Out Of All The Divas Champions Kelly,Heel Eve, had probably The Best Runs so far they actually put some effort for them.I belive Kelly Maybe Not The Bella's But I feel like because of Kelly Not Be the Most Skilled Wrestler Shes Not gonna be givin the Chance to Even be considered One Even though she was really popular and was selling Merchindise.

Kelly getting one magazine cover was enough to warrant an in ring unveiling. You couldn't do that when any of the Golden Era Big Four (+ Candice, when she got there) got a magazine cover, because a month rarely went by without one, sometimes two. The magazine unveiling had to be kept to, specifically, the annual Playboy cover. Candice's Go-Daddy ads were huge, especially the Super Bowl one.

Then, there was the annual special magazine, TV special, video, dedicated to the Divas going to some exotic location. The Diva brand used to be a cash cow for the company. I'd like to see it be that, again.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the Diva brand, as a whole, hit it's high point in popularity when the Division was strongest. Not all the Divas have to wrestle regularly, but it helps the brand, as a whole, if the Champions are good at it.

This is almost laughable. As much as I love Eve and The Bellas, none of these Divas can be even close to being considered "legends".

You may have the whole "but Sable is considered a legend" argument. Yes, she may have been only a T&A Diva, but she kickstarted the division. She may not have been the best wrestler, but without her, maybe there would be no division. Legends have purposes. Kelly didn't really serve any purpose. Eve didn't really serve any purpose. The Bellas didn't really serve any purpose.

And since when are Torrie and Stacy considered legends?

I think you are mistaking the level of a "legend". Trish is a legend. 7-time champion, and broke the mold of a model turned wrestler.

Unfortunately, I don't see any women (besides Vickie) on the current roster that may be considered legends. This era's women's division is awful. I think the last Diva that can come close to being considered a legend is Michelle McCool. As hated as that woman is, you have to give credit where credit is due. She gave great matches and great promos. She was all-around amazing.

The company seems to think Stacy & Torrie were major. In their Greatest Superstars of the 21st Century DVD a couple of years back, four Divas were featured: Trish, Lita, Stacy, & Torrie.

There's a place in the business for managers & valets. They get wrestlers over and advance storylines. Some are legends in the business, themselves, such as JJ Dillon & Paul Heyman. Sometimes, the wrestler they get over isn't even one they're managing. Hulk Hogan's main recurring adversary was Bobby Heenan. "Mr. McMahon" was vital to Austin's success.

Which brings us to Sable, whose popularity overshadowed the guy she was managing. Despite what Sunny likes to claim, Sable was the true Original Diva (Sable's even who gave us the term Diva in a classic promo). The business had seen nothing like her, before. Before the Rock's rise, she was the second most popular star in the company after Austin, all due to sex appeal, charisma, & being good on the mic. She was selling a lot of posters, making her a money maker for the company, and gracing a lot of magazine covers, making her great for promoting the show.

And, that's where Stacy & Torrie were important. Sure, they weren't really wrestlers, and never held the Championship, but... If Trish wasn't on a magazine cover that month, chances were that Stacy or Torrie were. They helped sell those Diva videos, magazines, and TV specials. They weren't important to the Women's Division, but they were a major part of the success of the Diva brand.

A major problem with the Divas in recent years was the company deciding they all had to be wrestlers, full time, whether they were good at it or not. Kelly & the Bellas would have been better suited for Stacy's & Torrie's roles (especially considering how much Kelly was modeled on Torrie), rather than trying to make Kelly into Lita.

Manager roles even get the women who are wrestlers over. By the time they were serious about a Women's Division in late 2001, Trish, Lita, & Molly already were very popular, had well established characters, and a three way rivalry from when they were managing rival tag teams. Melina was established and over with MNM when she became active in the Women's Division. What finally got Eve really over was the angle with Ryder, Cena, & Kane, then the stuff with Johnny Ace, Teddy Long, and Booker, so she was the top heel Diva when she won the Championship. It looks like the same is about to happen with AJ.

Now, picture what managing a stable would have done for the Bellas.

Like I keep trying to tell people you don't have to be a Wrestler to be a legend.Kelly Kelly Was Over and So was Eve they even main evented raw and smackdown.They were popular and was talked about Alot wether good or bad especially Kelly Kelly.As for the Bella's So much potential them two were also top money makers so much potential but were only use really with the celebs that showed up on Raw.

But, whatever potential they may have had in non-wrestling roles was never achieved. Their time on top is considered to be the low point of the Diva brand (Even the period between Sable leaving and Lita & Trish arriving still had Chyna's popularity to keep the Divas in a high profile).

They arent legends, and btw, i didnt know being in DVDs made you a legend either.

The idea of Kelly Kelly or the Bellas being considered legends is laughable. You even said it yourself, they were only "somewhat over with the crowd".

I wouldn't call Torrie or Stacie legends but comparing them to Kelly and the Bellas, I think there's a couple of huge differences:

1. Stacie and Torrie were given depth to their characters. Over the years (spanning over WCW and WWE), they were given lots of storylines involving some of the high-profile men and were used effectively as valets. They were also much better on the mic IMO. Their storylines also continued on a weekly basis for a long period of a time...unless you're AJ Lee, diva-superstar storylines tend to be dropped quickly or involve a short backstage segment every now and again.

2. Stacie and Torrie weren't wrestlers when comparing them to the likes of Molly and Jazz, but the crucial point is that the WWE actually acknowledged this. Up until the end of their careers when they had improved significantly, you would never see them in weekly tag matches. Therefore, when they actually were involved in a match, it was a novelty and the crowd actually cared. Kelly Kelly and the Bellas were poor wrestlers who had to wrestle week-after-week in average and pointless matches.

3. Timing and the state of the divison were also huge factors: Stacie and Torrie benefited a lot from being in the Divas divison when it consisted mainly of solid wrestlers (Jazz, Victoria, Trish, Lita, Jacqueline) so they stood out from the crowd. If you watched a battle royal last year with Kelly Kelly and the Bellas, you wouldn't be able to tell any of the divas' personalities apart, except for who was a face and who was a heel.


Eve is a difficult one, because she only really started showing signs of a potential Legend in the last six months or so. I can't remember anything significant about her first reigns. Had she stayed in the company another couple of years, I'm sure she would have been pushed to greateness.

Had Maryse continued to improve in the ring, I think she hadthe potential to become a legend. The WWE gave her all the key ingredients: backstage and in-ring segments, storylines with high-profile Superstars, build-ups to title runs and an active role as a valet as opposed to just an arm piece. Had she been able to produce some memorable matches, I think she could have been a huge commodity for the company because her charisma and personality meant that she shone in her segments.

Again, one doesn't have to be a wrestler to be considered a legend. Miss Elizabeth is considered an iconic woman in the business. Sunny's in the Hall of Fame (though they probably regret inducting her, after last year).

Back in Stacy's & Torrie's time, the Diva brand and the Women's Division weren't one and the same. The Division was tied to the brand, and the most important factor in it's success during the Golden Era, but the pure eye candy was vital to the brand's success. Stacy & Torrie had more magazine covers in a year than recent years' entire Diva rosters, combined. Magazine covers means crossover appeal. They were draws, even though they didn't wrestle, much.

Another major factor was, back then, the Divas had variety, and not just in their on screen characters. You weren't going to confuse any of these women with each other, because they all looked different, not just in how they dressed, but their body types.





It's harder to stand out when it's almost all swimsuit/lingerie/figure model types. Also, a big part of the Diva brand's appeal was it was an alternative to the types of girls appearing on most magazine covers. You'd have your usual swimsuit models on the other magazines, and then here was Torrie the bodybuilder.

We have Johnny Ace's method of scouting talent to blame for the state of the Diva brand: Thumbing through swimsuit and lingerie catalogs. A standout Diva needs more than just being pretty. Yeah, Kelly posed well and had a pretty smile, but then what? JR looked for more, even in the eye candy. He looked for charisma and that x-factor. Crowds would pop a bit for Kelly during her entrance, then go to the bathroom or merchandise stand when she was in the ring. They'd stick around and make noise for whatever Stacy or Torrie were doing. Granted, Stacy had Molly & Trish to carry her through the matches, but Kelly had Beth & Natalya to do the same for her.

Triple H seems to be going back to the old scouting methods, mainly indie women, fitness models, and other sorts of athletes, with someone to give them proper training (Sara Del Rey doing what Fit Finlay did for the Golden Era Divas).

Stacy & Torrie, like Sable before them, were memorable. Kelly didn't do anything all that memorable. The Bellas didn't, besides being twins. Eve did during her final months in the company. As others have said, does anyone really remember her first two title runs? If she'd stuck around...

Agreed that Maryse had potential to be a legend, but I think she was misused, since she wasn't a great wrestler. Stacy & Torrie demonstrated that you can be one of the centers of the Diva brand without being a full time wrestler and holding the Championship. Making a Diva that's not solid in the ring Champion just magnifies their weaknesses. Kelly wouldn't have caught nearly the flack she did if the company hadn't insisted on pushing her down out throats as the best wrestler among the women. Kaitlyn has her size and muscle to compensate for her limited (but always improving) skills (Kevin Nash had a very successful career doing that). We could buy her trading blows with Beth & Nattie. We couldn't buy 108 lb Kelly Kelly just straight up physically overpowering Beth Phoenix. Smaller girls need a lot of skill to be convincing, like Gail or AJ.

I still feel like being a fitness model Dosent make an excuse to give them a pass because they LOOK like wrestlers they have no wrestling background so I'm not gonna give them a pass like that dani chick who was just signed.

Alright, let me put it to you this way. You have someone who looks like Kelly Kelly, and then some ugly chick who both get hired as models. Although both have no experience, Kelly would be more likely to be taken seriously as a model because she has the look, and will likely make photoshoots better because she has the natural beauty.

Why is it that Kaitlyn, McCool, Eve, Trish & Victoria improved so drastically in the ring in ways that the likes of Candice, Kelly, Bellas, Maryse couldn't? Because they had the history with physicality, whether its martial arts, bodybuilding or fitness.

Kelly Kelly Does have an atletic background if gymnastics count like her handspring elbow,hurricarrana,Molly go round.Heres the Thing The Women You Mention Like McCool,Eve,Victoria,Kaitlyn had Way More Time to train while Kelly Was only in OVW for a few weeks and was called up to the main roster when she Cleary was not ready.Trish wasn't all that good either but I belive she improved Alot more in 2002 She wasn't even the Top Diva until Lita got injured so in 02 it was all about her.I actually had my hopes up for Maryse she was really good in 08 and gave Beth a run for her money at Survior Series but she got injured and just toned down her move set.Now Back to Kelly I really wish WWE kepted her in OVW I felt like if she just stayed down there for Atleast a Year or two she would of been a lot better but she did get better around 2008 I would say.

I would say Kelly Kelly is no way considered a legend infact I remember Kelly for being one of the worst women wrestlers in WWE. If Eve had stayed with WWE for 2-3 years, she would definitley be a legend, I loved her character before she left, she suited playing a heel instead of a babyface, as for The Bellas twins they were awful wrestlers, had no purpose in the divison, and Brie should never had been champion

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Kelly Kelly Does have an atletic background if gymnastics count like her handspring elbow,hurricarrana,Molly go round.Heres the Thing The Women You Mention Like McCool,Eve,Victoria,Kaitlyn had Way More Time to train while Kelly Was only in OVW for a few weeks and was called up to the main roster when she Cleary was not ready.Trish wasn't all that good either but I belive she improved Alot more in 2002 She wasn't even the Top Diva until Lita got injured so in 02 it was all about her.I actually had my hopes up for Maryse she was really good in 08 and gave Beth a run for her money at Survior Series but she got injured and just toned down her move set.Now Back to Kelly I really wish WWE kepted her in OVW I felt like if she just stayed down there for Atleast a Year or two she would of been a lot better but she did get better around 2008 I would say.

Gymnastics doesn't make you a good wrestler though, it just makes you a spot monkey, which she was. The only thing memorable about her moveset was her Kelly go Round, Spinning Hurracarana and Handspring Elbow, all moves which were just gymnastic-types. Eve had a history in martial arts, Kaitlyn in fitness model/body build which builds her strength, Victoria fitness Model, Michelle did something unmemorable too.

Kaitlyn was hired like a week before NXT started, and yet in a year she is already miles ahead of Kelly's in ring ability, when Kelly had been there six years. They were both thrown straight into wrestling, and yet you can see who has improved the most. Trish wasn't good, but in three years Trish was a solid wrestler whcih Kelly couldn't achieve in six. Kelly looked so good in the ring at times because she was working with the likes of Victoria, Nattie and Beth in 08. When she was in there with Maryse, Bellas, Alicia the matches were horrible. I think Gail got the best match out of Kelly.

The thing is, in ten years time nobody is going to care about Kelly, Eve, Michelle, Layla, Bellas, Maryse, heck even Nattie & Beth. Its just not the same standards these days. The fans cared about the likes of Trish/Lita, they didn't about these guys. Even Beth didn't have a solid reaction, sometimes she would get huge pops, then the next it would be crickets. The only diva legends from the post-Trish/Lita era is Victoria and Mickie. And even these two will never be in the HOF I'd say.

The only divas that will be in the HOF from 2000-onwards would be Sable, Trish, Lita, Lillian and possibly Torrie.

Kelly Kelly and the Bellas are not Legends by any means. They simply didn't do enough.

Eve on the other hand, multiple titles, various different roles beyond wrestling, involved in some major storylines. If she had stuck around for another 5 years and continued as she had been, then yeah, I might have called her a legend. As it stands, I wouldn't call her one yet.

But wouldn't That Same Rule Apply to Kaityln and even Trish Stratus?
You said the Kelly only had good matches was because of Beth,Nattie,Victoria,Gail but what about Kaityn? Ill let you have your opinion on her but Kaitlyn is Just as awful as Kelly was she is SO Sloppy and Slow as hell.That Match she had with Alicia Was So Bad to me that it could probably be up for worst Divas Match of 2013.The only good matches she had is with Eve and Beth.She maybe got called up As soon as she got signed but she also after NXT disappeared and went back to FCW to train more.Also what about Trish Stratus she can Easily get a good match because well look at who she had to work with Victoria,Ivory,Molly,Jazz,Gail compared to those girls Trish was definitely at the bottom of the list there the only Divas she could carry good was Lita,Stacy and Torrie.Her 05-06 run was not her best run she had and it was all because of the women she was working with such as Candice,Torrie and Ashley,Torrie was good but Candice and Ashley were plain horrible ever notice she was mostly facing Victoria the most then Mickie when she turned heel they even brung Melina Over there to.So basically its not just Kelly Kelly.

I'm not saying its just Kelly, we all know Eve was horrible but just because Eve was horrible doesn't justify Kelly being horrible. Some people just have it, and others don't.

The problem I have with Kelly, Bellas, Maryse is that they should of been put in the Torrie/Stacy role and stayed there. Sort of like Christy. Christy was T&A, she competed in bra & panties matches, pillow fights, etc. You didn't see Christy going over Trish, Victoria, etc. What it is like today is exactly like say Stacy Keibler going over Trish or Lita back in the day cleanly, it just didn't look right. Every time they faced, you know Stacy had no chance in hell of winning, but would watch it for the entertainment and seeing Trish beat the crap out of her.

Now we have Kelly, Bellas, etc going over the likes of Beth cleanly (this is the same Beth who dominated Mickie in their fued, made Melina quit, was a dominant force in the division) yet sometimes she could lose in a 2 min match to Maria or the Bellas. These girls should have stuck with T&A, thats what would've made them popular and on the level of Torrie/etc, which would have also helped Beth, Nattie, etc keep credibility in wrestling.

Trish would've had no credibility whatsoever if she had been pinned cleanly by Torrie, Christy, Stacy, Maria etc.

I agree with you that is what Maryse,Kelly,Bella's Should of been doing the whole time.I feel like if they just stayed as valets and only wrestled every once in a while they would of had better careers and would of been liked more.