Cena debate

What is your stance on John Cena, and why do you like or hate him? Please provide reasonable details, keep it mature, no flaming, and stay on topic.

I am completely neutral on Cena. I don't hate him, nor am I the biggest fan. But you have to respect his ability, to work. He gains a reaction from the fans, and he comes out every week to wrestle. He came back from a neck injury.. early. He may not be the greatest inside the ring, but what's with the hate on him? He doesn't deserve it for the millions he makes WWE. And to entertain the fans.

My personal opinion on him is that he's an outstanding person.

Now, don't get me wrong. Just because I'm a Cena "mark" doesn't mean that I think that his gimmick is the greatest thing on television.

You see, that's where I think alot of people misunderstand him. Alot of the hate is because of the bandwagoners who do it because they think it's cool, and most of the people who do hate him, act less mature than his so called "kiddy fans."

Some of the fans actually have a legitimate reason to hate him, but like it should be, they're angry at his gimmick, not him. I blame WWE personally, for turning an edgy, popular, hip hop character into a predictable, lame, easy going guy who gets his ass kicked all the time, kisses the fans asses, and has no aggression whatsoever.

When's the last time you seen him beat somebody to a bloody pulp, whip his opponent like a government mule with a leather belt, or make his opponent suffer? When have you EVER seen that?

WWE hasn't put any effort into his character whatsoever, and the sole reason for that, is because the corny babyface attracts the little kids, who are what Vince McMahon has resorted to targeting so he can reel in the cash. Cena's now the cash cow, the babyface for babies, and the chick magnate.

If it had been me, the FIRST time, he started getting booed, I'd have turned him into one of the most dominant, scariest heels you'd ever seen in your life, because I don't care about the cash, I care about the entertainment. Give the man a reason to be hated for the love of God!

So no, I don't hate, and I support John Felix-Anthony Cena, Not Vince McMahon's watered down version of John Cena.

I do however think he's a great champion, and a good representation of the company, and if I was running a wrestling company, he'd be the first guy that I'd hire.

right ok i wont plan on going as much as u just did lol. but i tend to make it up. it is what im known for
but like with GFX i am neutral
i am pleased that wwe has found someone in Cena who is willing to do practically anything for the company. I am damn sure he probably turns down holidays to do other shit for the E.
He has great mic skills, he can be funny and serious, and knows how to get a reaction out of the fans. those were the pros

cons, now some cons will not be directly cenas fault, some are
like for instance his limited actual wrestling skill, it is well documented on hundreds of wrestling forums that cena seemingly has less then 10 moves, his repitaur from my stand point consists of punchs, bellytobackspinppowerbomb thing, diving shoulders, diving leg drops, fisherman suplex, the throwback, 5knuckle shuffle, attitude ajuster *lameass* and stf...that to me equals 9 moves that i can think of, and he is supposed to be this very techincally gifted athlete, i dont think so in my opinion.In my eyes especailly when in submissions and such he oversells moves, screaming like a limg is being sawn of with a rusty butterknife.
those are the only cons he is in direct blame for
now to the Es fault
his gimmick is lame, he is practically a superhero, as is rey, and it is known i hate rey a lot more then cena, but cena gets beat down for the first fifteen minutes of the match and then the last two or threee minutes he mircaulously becomes brilliant and wins.
His win loss record is uncanny. no wonder he is known to a lot as the hogan of this century
His title reigns length, now i know no one wants one month reigns like edges past 8 reigns seemingly have been, but no one wants EVERY reign, bar the latest to be 6 month long or more, hell between his first 2 reigns over about 30 months he was champ for about 27 of them...that is ridiculous.
the fact he is face, that is just something id like to see change
and yes i will say that he along with rey is the main reason kids watch it, which has deffinetly simmered down some stuff i liked in the attitude era, although i CAN understand it from a busniess perspective so i wont bitch about that.

right i think im done, and yep i stand true at ranting on for ages, most of it wont make sense, especially if your called serial lol

He's overrated. How many times has he had that title, & when he does have it, he doesn't let it go for 3489248029849 years.

I could say the same for Triple H, and yet people still cream themselves over him. >_>

He doesn't make the call to have the title, WWE does, so it's their fault, not his.

like i said it is mainly the E's fault
and hhh has had the title a lot over the space of 10 years not 4...and his reigns are not as long as cenas, so i see her point

Cena truely is trash, he has the 5 moves of doom and he "overcomes" the odds everytime he wrestles. im surprised they took the title off him at the ppv cause hed prolly hold it till wrestlemania 56

Sometimes I like him and sometimes I hate him.

Overcoming the odds=hate

Overcoming the odds=like

sometimes i just hate him because hes driven down our throats every week

i love the wishmaster out of topic
in topic i do find it annoying when he is down our throats, and dead i established that he does infact have a few more moves then u think, he has 9 not 5 lol

O.K., how has he been shoved down our throats, when every week for the past 10 years, Triple H has either been a champion, in the main event scene, or the complete center of attention, yet, nobody bashes him as much as Cena.

Hell, look here lately, It's been Triple H this, Triple H that, "is Triple H gonna show up," "oh, onto more important news, Triple H is expected to arrive," and nobody gets tired of that, especially the ones who claim to hate having shit shoved down their throats, when Triple H has been shoved down everyone's throat for the past 13 years.

Since 1999, there hasn't been a year where Triple H didn't hold the title at some time or another, whether it be for a lengthy time period, or whether it be for a short time period.

How is Triple H any better then Cena, because the writers put more effort into his character than they do Cena's? That's ludicrous.

Cena's promo on Cole got some major heat backstage, but you know who wrote it? Brian Gerwitz, who does most of Cena's corny material, whom most of the locker room see's as "the nerd."

Look at Cena in control of his gimmick back during "Word Life," and then look at Cena being scripted by dumbfucks who have no idea what true comedy is, in the present time.

It's a HUGE fuck up on the part of WWE, and why? Because it's "all about the moneeeeey."

Good point. Save us Freddie Prinze! What ever happened with that?

just to say in 2006 hhh was never a world champ lol

I know, I forgot to mention that. LOL!

But that was the ONLY year since 1999 that Triple H wasn't champ.

yeah i know haha
and like u said when defeding cena of sorts, its a busness and about making money
so u can really use the same argument as a way to go against hhh...like u said it is a bussness about money so that is why hhh is like he is

My intention wasn't to defend Cena and not Triple H though.

I was saying, why are people hating Cena, but then those same people praise Triple H for some of the exact same reasons, especially when they have no control over their characters.

Each wrestler has a script writer, and whatever they say is what the writer wrote for them to say, and half of Cena's suckish jokes came from that Brian Gerwitz guy from what I understand.

I hate how some people are like, "Cena's not funny" "He tried to hard to be funny." He's not trying to hard to do anything, except work with what he's got.

That's a difficult thing to do, and it would irk the hell out of me if I was made to say stuff I didn't want to, especially if I had better ideas but no one was listening to me.

John Cena sells tickets, merchandise, and has a bigger fan-base than Hulkamania could have ever dreamed of. While his wrestling skills are, erm, questionable, WWE has made their priority be the image, rather than skill. So what I can't understand is why people can't be mad at WWE, for changing their direction to image, rather than at Cena, who fits this direction perfectly.

yes i get confused by that
like i said i blame the wwe and not cena, it isnt anything personal

MFiSG [Bot] I bow to your awesomeness.

You're not the first, and you won't be the last either. Always glad to help a Cena fan in a debate.

John Cena does horrible promos. Can't defend himself on the mic for some reason without complimenting his opponent. Always wins or gets a payback like he's some fake Stone Cold Steve Austin emulator. Can't throw a decent strike if his life depended on it. He's not as bad as Cripple H but he's pretty much a channel change. He's geared towards children and anyone above 13 defending him in this thread must have a low standard of what the WWE has degressed to in the last 6 years.

excuse me HLR....IM AWSOME TOO
and i apologise....you have posted on TWO threads now so thanks for being "active"
and let me guess that is another fact is it Laylamark
u must really hate hhh, must be because he has more reigns then the rock...well i guess that is what u get for STICKING around...and not leaving your roots

Cena's miles ahead of Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior as far as wrestling skills go. The sad truth is that few actually good wrestlers ever get pushed to the level Hogan, Warrior, and Cena have. But again, WWE is all about image, superstars have to have the look, rather than the skills, and Cena has the perfect look to be the face of the WWE.

And really guys, if he's that bad, why do ya watch WWE every week?

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LaylaMark wrote:

John Cena does horrible promos. Can't defend himself on the mic for some reason without complimenting his opponent. Always wins or gets a payback like he's some fake Stone Cold Steve Austin emulator. Can't throw a decent strike if his life depended on it. He's not as bad as Cripple H but he's pretty much a channel change. He's geared towards children and anyone above 13 defending him in this thread must have a low standard of what the WWE has degressed to in the last 6 years.

Why is it always "Cena does this" or "Cena does that," instead of people pointing the finger at the correct culprit?

That's like blaming the Prez for a publicly esteemed bill not getting passed through congress because of partisan differences.

John Cena has NO control over his promos. He delivers what they tell him to deliver, how the tell him to deliver. He's a company man, he does what he's told, and that's why he's a success. That shows responsibility and respect for his higher ups, which unfortunately, makes him look bad to all of the fans. If he pulled an Austin, and walked off the job because of creative differences, he'd be ruined. Vince is a control freak. The same entertainment that we watch each and every week is whatever Vince likes.

As far as his wins and "payback," that's part of the whole face gimmick. Faces are supposed to always win and get payback. Look at Triple McMahon and Boretista. Look at CM Punk. Look at Jeff Hardy.

As far as him "throwing strikes," what the hell are you talking about? It's kayfabe for the love of God, none of the strikes are real. I've seen worse from some of the other fan favorites, Tbh.

The last thing you said about "being geared towards children," has pretty much been explained at least 3 times in this thread, so I'm not gonna rehash that. It's not Cena, it's Vince, and what Vince feels is good for business.

Oh, and you're jab made me laugh, because I've heard it all so many times. People defending him see him for what he is as a person, not money WWE's tool.

DR LL wrote:

excuse me HLR....IM AWSOME TOO
and i apologise....you have posted on TWO threads now so thanks for being "active"

Excuse me?

Who are you again, cuz you sure as hell aren't in any position to be judging people 'round here.

[quote="HLR"]O.K., how has he been shoved down our throats, when every week for the past 10 years, Triple H has either been a champion, in the main event scene, or the complete center of attention, yet, nobody bashes him as much as Cena.

Personally, although HHH has been one of the main guys for the last decade, never was there a point in these ten years that he has received a title run so long that we had to change the calander from one year to another. For those like Hogan, Macho man, and Cena who've all had such a title reign, that's what I call a "push." I'll say this though = Had HHH been more willing to put more Superstars over a few years ago then perhaps the WWE wouldn't have to resort to using Cena (and Batista) as often as they have.

Why does everything have to center around the title?

Someone can be "shoved down one's throat," even without the title being involved. >_>

Why is this turning into a huge argument over opinions?

We know you're a fan of Cena, so you're going to defend him, but that won't change anyone elses thoughts.

This is a debate thread mate.

The whole point IS to argue over each other's thoughts. That's what a debate is.

HLR wrote:

Why does everything have to center around the title?

Someone can be "shoved down one's throat," even without the title being involved. >_>

Kozlvov, John Morrison, Jack Swagger all serve as proof of such things.

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That's like blaming the Prez for a publicly esteemed bill not getting passed through congress because of partisan differences.

John Cena has NO control over his promos. He delivers what they tell him to deliver, how the tell him to deliver. He's a company man, he does what he's told, and that's why he's a success. That shows responsibility and respect for his higher ups, which unfortunately, makes him look bad to all of the fans. If he pulled an Austin, and walked off the job because of creative differences, he'd be ruined. Vince is a control freak. The same entertainment that we watch each and every week is whatever Vince likes.

As far as his wins and "payback," that's part of the whole face gimmick. Faces are supposed to always win and get payback. Look at Triple McMahon and Boretista. Look at CM Punk. Look at Jeff Hardy.

As far as him "throwing strikes," what the hell are you talking about? It's kayfabe for the love of God, none of the strikes are real. I've seen worse from some of the other fan favorites, Tbh.

The last thing you said about "being geared towards children," has pretty much been explained at least 3 times in this thread, so I'm not gonna rehash that. It's not Cena, it's Vince, and what Vince feels is good for business.

Oh, and you're jab made me laugh, because I've heard it all so many times. People defending him see him for what he is as a person, not money WWE's tool.

He delivers what they tell him to deliver? Well let me tell you something..Chris Jericho delivers what he wants to deliver and that's why he's the best in the business and John Cena earns boos like a "company man" every other week.

Part of the face gimmick? The Undertaker lost clean to the Great Khali two years ago. Basically got squashed at Judgement Day..he has more locker room pull than anyone in the WWE today and yet John Cena can't even get beat down for two minutes? He ALWAYS wins in the end? He's just unstoppable like he's the fucking Juggernaut? That's horrible television in the 2000s. The 1980s are dead.

None of the strikes are real but a guy like KENTA would probably make John Cena start crying if he faced him because he strikes harder than anyone who's in the E. Striking like Benoit, Eddie, and Shelton is why they're matches look more legitimate and Cena looks like a str8 cartoon character.

The fact is that its all a matter of one's preference. While one can stand to see a Superstar in a significant angle or not; there will always be two or three more who'd rather not see he or she for one reason or another.

HLR wrote:

This is a debate thread mate.

The whole point IS to argue over each other's thoughts. That's what a debate is.

Right, I just don't think there's a point. Everyone has an opinion, rather it's possitive or not.

It just shouldn't matter.

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and let me guess that is another fact is it Laylamark
u must really hate hhh, must be because he has more reigns then the rock...well i guess that is what u get for STICKING around...and not leaving your roots

What does the Rock have to do with HHH being garbage and being one of the worst things about the WWE today? The Rock is HOF bound next year and was voted into the REAL HOF(WO) by the biggest margin in history..sorry Stone Cold, Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, Bruno, Andre, Flair. This is not speculation. This is noted fact and you can thank me for informing you for not knowing such simple history.

HLR wrote:

DR LL wrote:

excuse me HLR....IM AWSOME TOO
and i apologise....you have posted on TWO threads now so thanks for being "active"

Excuse me?

Who are you again, cuz you sure as hell aren't in any position to be judging people 'round here.

first of all i was saying that i am awsome too...and the last part wasnt even to u
and never mind who i am, who are u to say i am in no position to judge....firstly im not judging anyone, and secondly i am a damn site more important then u are, i wasnt even talking to u, so dont get offended

LaylaMark wrote:

HLR wrote:

Why does everything have to center around the title?

Someone can be "shoved down one's throat," even without the title being involved. >_>

Kozlvov, John Morrison, Jack Swagger all serve as proof of such things.

How so? Morrison, Swagger, and Kozlov aren't powerful enough to be main money without the title. They're not top draws for WWE like Cena, Batista, Triple H, HBK, Edge, and Taker are, so your point is flawed.

LaylaMark wrote:

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That's like blaming the Prez for a publicly esteemed bill not getting passed through congress because of partisan differences.

John Cena has NO control over his promos. He delivers what they tell him to deliver, how the tell him to deliver. He's a company man, he does what he's told, and that's why he's a success. That shows responsibility and respect for his higher ups, which unfortunately, makes him look bad to all of the fans. If he pulled an Austin, and walked off the job because of creative differences, he'd be ruined. Vince is a control freak. The same entertainment that we watch each and every week is whatever Vince likes.

As far as his wins and "payback," that's part of the whole face gimmick. Faces are supposed to always win and get payback. Look at Triple McMahon and Boretista. Look at CM Punk. Look at Jeff Hardy.

As far as him "throwing strikes," what the hell are you talking about? It's kayfabe for the love of God, none of the strikes are real. I've seen worse from some of the other fan favorites, Tbh.

The last thing you said about "being geared towards children," has pretty much been explained at least 3 times in this thread, so I'm not gonna rehash that. It's not Cena, it's Vince, and what Vince feels is good for business.

Oh, and you're jab made me laugh, because I've heard it all so many times. People defending him see him for what he is as a person, not money WWE's tool.

He delivers what they tell him to deliver? Well let me tell you something..Chris Jericho delivers what he wants to deliver and that's why he's the best in the business and John Cena earns boos like a "company man" every other week.

Part of the face gimmick? The Undertaker lost clean to the Great Khali two years ago. Basically got squashed at Judgement Day..he has more locker room pull than anyone in the WWE today and yet John Cena can't even get beat down for two minutes? He ALWAYS wins in the end? He's just unstoppable like he's the fucking Juggernaut? That's horrible television in the 2000s. The 1980s are dead.

None of the strikes are real but a guy like KENTA would probably make John Cena start crying if he faced him because he strikes harder than anyone who's in the E. Striking like Benoit, Eddie, and Shelton is why they're matches look more legitimate and Cena looks like a str8 cartoon character.

Chris Jericho also delivers what they tell him to deliver. Chris Jericho is just more refined and skilled than John Cena is, and there's nothing wrong with that. Some of the talent gets the good end of the creative stick. It depends on the writer, and what they have in store for the gimmick that they're working with. Cena gets booed every week because of the bandwagoners, because rarely do you find smarks in the WWE audience, and they're so minimal that they really don't make that much of an impact. Alot of the people that boo Cena do so because they think it's cool, or because they don't really know the truth behind things.

Also, as far as the Taker comment, John Cena lost clean to Randy Orton. John Cena lost clean to Shawn Michaels. John Cena lost clean to Batista. John Cena lost clean to JBL, and with all of these losses being recent, once again, your "point" is flawed. Also, Most of his fucking matches involved him getting beat down or two minutes or more. Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?

Also, as far as the striking comment, that's kind of pathetic. All punches in the WWE are fake and once you get used to the whole illusion, you can pretty much point it out. Alot of Cena's punches do look real, and there have been times where he's actually gotten a little stiff and actually clocked people. He's got a pretty hard swing, and I guarantee that if he was to hit anyone hard enough with a real punch, THEY would be the ones crying. LOL!

Last but not least, he is a juggernaut. He's known to be a ratings juggernaut at times and he is without a doubt the cash juggernaut. As the WWE cash cow, that's where the business gets it's milk. LOL!

Imma Classiq wrote:

The fact is that its all a matter of one's preference. While one can stand to see a Superstar in a significant angle or not; there will always be two or three more who'd rather not see he or she for one reason or another.

I agree. I just feel that the wrong person is getting the blame.

litaisextreme wrote:

HLR wrote:

This is a debate thread mate.

The whole point IS to argue over each other's thoughts. That's what a debate is.

Right, I just don't think there's a point. Everyone has an opinion, rather it's possitive or not.

It just shouldn't matter.

The fact of the matter is that people who are closed minded don't belong in a debate. A debate is where you argue about each others opinions, and try to get an impartial picture. If you're gonna throw the "opinion" card around, stay out of the debate, because it doesn't belong.

DR LL wrote:

HLR wrote:

DR LL wrote:

excuse me HLR....IM AWSOME TOO
and i apologise....you have posted on TWO threads now so thanks for being "active"

Excuse me?

Who are you again, cuz you sure as hell aren't in any position to be judging people 'round here.

first of all i was saying that i am awsome too...and the last part wasnt even to u
and never mind who i am, who are u to say i am in no position to judge....firstly im not judging anyone, and secondly i am a damn site more important then u are, i wasnt even talking to u, so dont get offended

Word of advice, be a little more clearer about who you address things to, because people WILL misinterpret what you say, and that's not their fault if you made it possible. >_>

litaisextreme wrote:

HLR wrote:

This is a debate thread mate.

The whole point IS to argue over each other's thoughts. That's what a debate is.

Right, I just don't think there's a point. Everyone has an opinion, rather it's possitive or not.

It just shouldn't matter.

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The fact of the matter is that people who are closed minded don't belong in a debate. A debate is where you argue about each others opinions, and try to get an impartial picture. If you're gonna throw the "opinion" card around, stay out of the debate, because it doesn't belong.

Right, but there's always something about what someone says that is wrong. Exp, if it's negative about Cena, which makes it worse. I will throw the opinion card around because an argument, doesn't change someone's thoughts, beliefs, opinions, whatever. It's just a waste, it's only the internet. It shouldn't matter to you what others think about him anyways & trying to set them right isn't going to solve anything & don't tell me you don't because you always have a response to everything about Cena.

I don't want to be mean, I'm just stating how I feel.

litaisextreme wrote:

litaisextreme wrote:

HLR wrote:

This is a debate thread mate.

The whole point IS to argue over each other's thoughts. That's what a debate is.

Right, I just don't think there's a point. Everyone has an opinion, rather it's possitive or not.

It just shouldn't matter.

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The fact of the matter is that people who are closed minded don't belong in a debate. A debate is where you argue about each others opinions, and try to get an impartial picture. If you're gonna throw the "opinion" card around, stay out of the debate, because it doesn't belong.

Right, but there's always something about what someone says that is wrong. Exp, if it's negative about Cena, which makes it worse. I will throw the opinion card around because an argument, doesn't change someone's thoughts, beliefs, opinions, whatever. It's just a waste, it's only the internet. It shouldn't matter to you what others think about him anyways & trying to set them right isn't going to solve anything & don't tell me you don't because you always have a response to everything about Cena.

I don't want to be mean, I'm just stating how I feel.

You're still failing to understand the full concept of a debate thread.

HLR wrote:

litaisextreme wrote:

litaisextreme wrote:

HLR wrote:

This is a debate thread mate.

The whole point IS to argue over each other's thoughts. That's what a debate is.

Right, I just don't think there's a point. Everyone has an opinion, rather it's possitive or not.

It just shouldn't matter.

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The fact of the matter is that people who are closed minded don't belong in a debate. A debate is where you argue about each others opinions, and try to get an impartial picture. If you're gonna throw the "opinion" card around, stay out of the debate, because it doesn't belong.

Right, but there's always something about what someone says that is wrong. Exp, if it's negative about Cena, which makes it worse. I will throw the opinion card around because an argument, doesn't change someone's thoughts, beliefs, opinions, whatever. It's just a waste, it's only the internet. It shouldn't matter to you what others think about him anyways & trying to set them right isn't going to solve anything & don't tell me you don't because you always have a response to everything about Cena.

I don't want to be mean, I'm just stating how I feel.

You're still failing to understand the full concept of a debate thread.

I was trying to understand it. I give up anyways. I didn't want it to turn into this back & forth crap.

well i am sorry HLR for not being clearer for u, although my post was below the person the comment was directed to
and is >_> that face a smile or a frown....cos there is no need for that tbh
and also LIE blue loves it when people go back on fourth he loves debtates...and it makes the forum more interstin....so dont feel bad about going back and fouth

Going back and forth is the whole purpose of a debate, which lie obviously can't grasp.

No, it's just I don't want to be in it.

I just figured I would say how I feel & be done.

HLR u dont have to be so rude about these things
and thats fine LIE....u just want to put your two cence in.....no probs with that

DR LL wrote:

HLR u dont have to be so rude about these things
and thats fine LIE....u just want to put your two cence in.....no probs with that

<3 thank you.

no problem
a pretty girl like u needs a night in shinging armour...not that u do need one

haha what a line lol. jkes

DR LL wrote:

HLR u dont have to be so rude about these things

Excuse me? Rude?

If you can't stand the heat then you better stay out of the kitchen. Debates are NOT pretty nor are they nice.

i can stand as much heat as u can bring
i was simply stating that it is an internet so u dont need to be such an asshole about things

Your perception of an asshole contradicts my true demeanor, and if you truly could take the "heat" you wouldn't be getting flustered. >_>

flustered, i doubt it, i was trying to defend a DIN....that is all. in all honesty i couldnt care what u think of me, or whether or not u think my perceptions of assholes are the same as yours
just stop getting so touchy

What do you mean think of you?

How come people can't stick to the topic in a debate, instead of assuming that things are getting personal?

I don't think of you in any way. I don't have a problem. This is about the topic, not about you or I.