Cena debate

ive said it before, this is why i cant stand marks. they want ppls opinions and then rip them because they disagree with what they have to say. Cena is pure fucking trash, plain and simple. his skills havent increased in 4 years, he still has the same 5 fucking moves of doom, and he "overcomes the odds" every fucking week, not to mention hes driven down our throat every week. now, if you wanna rip me because i bashed the bitch, then go ahead. because this isnt a debate if your gonna attack everyone who hates Cena

also, its the WWEs fault that the REAL fans boo the fuck outta him. his promos are trash, as well as his matches

Wishmaster wrote:

ive said it before, this is why i cant stand marks. they want ppls opinions and then rip them because they disagree with what they have to say. Cena is pure fucking trash, plain and simple. his skills havent increased in 4 years, he still has the same 5 fucking moves of doom, and he "overcomes the odds" every fucking week, not to mention hes driven down our throat every week. now, if you wanna rip me because i bashed the bitch, then go ahead. because this isnt a debate if your gonna attack everyone who hates Cena

Who the fuck is attacking people? You need to chill the fuck out, because you getting bent out of shape over this is just pure fucking ridiculous. Don't be a prick.

Wishmaster wrote:

also, its the WWEs fault that the REAL fans boo the fuck outta him. his promos are trash, as well as his matches

Real fans? You're just as bad as the rest of these sheep.

As I've said before, it isn't a matter of who's a real fan, who's a mark or what have you; it is all a matter of how preference - not to mention tolerance.

HLR wrote:

Wishmaster wrote:

ive said it before, this is why i cant stand marks. they want ppls opinions and then rip them because they disagree with what they have to say. Cena is pure fucking trash, plain and simple. his skills havent increased in 4 years, he still has the same 5 fucking moves of doom, and he "overcomes the odds" every fucking week, not to mention hes driven down our throat every week. now, if you wanna rip me because i bashed the bitch, then go ahead. because this isnt a debate if your gonna attack everyone who hates Cena

Who the fuck is attacking people? You need to chill the fuck out, because you getting bent out of shape over this is just pure fucking ridiculous. Don't be a prick.

Umm, i think the only one who needs to chill, is you. You have something to say about everyone's opinion here. Like I said before, it doesn't matter what people think, & don't tell me I don't know the meaning of a debate, I don't care. I'm just stating the fact, you should like Cena & be proud & not care if others don't.

This is just a debate for you to "correct" everyone's different opinions.
Whoops, I threw the opinion card again.

DR LL wrote:

no problem
a pretty girl like u needs a night in shinging armour...not that u do need one

haha what a line lol. jkes

lol, ha. thanks. :P

You're deffinally it.

Haha....lol glad to hear it...thats 1 to me and 0 to the other guys drooling over you joke lol
and i agree with NCD it is about preference

but on one note HLR have u ever thought of calling the thousands of cena fans sheep....like dead said the fans, usually older fans can see through the way wwe has used cena, and tbh i can see the point that the older fans boo him, because they recognise he isnt the greatest wrestler, and they recognise that he is the main figure in the E, when they all clearly feel that someone else should be the face...which will be there prefernce
like me for example, i belive orton is the guy who should be heading WWE, but Cena is the one doing all the appearances, but like i said that is just my prefernce, i prefer orton over cena

DR LL wrote:

Haha....lol glad to hear it...thats 1 to me and 0 to the other guys drooling over you joke lol
and i agree with NCD it is about preference

but on one note HLR have u ever thought of calling the thousands of cena fans sheep....like dead said the fans, usually older fans can see through the way wwe has used cena, and tbh i can see the point that the older fans boo him, because they recognise he isnt the greatest wrestler, and they recognise that he is the main figure in the E, when they all clearly feel that someone else should be the face...which will be there prefernce
like me for example, i belive orton is the guy who should be heading WWE, but Cena is the one doing all the appearances, but like i said that is just my prefernce, i prefer orton over cena

The "sheep" that I'm referring to are the ones who go out and do something just because everybody else is doing it, and because they think it will make them look cool, like hating on Cena. Are all Cena haterz sheep? No. Some people just hate his gimmick, which is reasonably understandable because I do to, as I've stated before.

Why is Cena the main guy? Because of his work ethic. The "E" got him over back when he was popular, and now he's caught in the crossfire since they've decided to water him down.

I did mention that I disliked Orton, but I do agree that he is a great main eventer. Have you also stopped and considered that maybe one guy isn't hogging the spotlight for once? We have what, 7 top stars involved involved in high profile feuds right now. The spotlight isn't just on one guy.

Plus, this isn't about wrestling ability, this is about entertainment. If you wanna judge someone because of their westling ability, do it in a legit sport where that aspect actually matters. The E that you keep pointing out just so happens to stand for "Entertainment."

Imma Classiq wrote:

As I've said before, it isn't a matter of who's a real fan, who's a mark or what have you; it is all a matter of how preference - not to mention tolerance.

I completely agree.

litaisextreme wrote:

Umm, i think the only one who needs to chill, is you.

And why do you say that? I'm not the one in here starting cuss wars and taking everything personally. I'm just arguing on the matter of the subject, which some people in this thread need to stick to.

litaisextreme wrote:

You have something to say about everyone's opinion here.

DUHHHHH!!!!!! This is a DEBATE! The object of a debate IS to have something to say about everyone's opinions, using facts and points to argue on the matter of the subject. Stick to the subject, because digression is not going to work.

litaisextreme wrote:

Like I said before, it doesn't matter what people think, & don't tell me I don't know the meaning of a debate, I don't care. I'm just stating the fact, you should like Cena & be proud & not care if others don't.

If you don't care, then why do you keep replying in this thread? No one is forcing you to come into any of this. You keep bringing yourself here. >_>

litaisextreme wrote:

I'm just stating the fact, you should like Cena & be proud & not care if others don't.

Me arguing in this debate has nothing to do with either of those statements. My objective is to debate, plain and simple. I'm not intentionally trying to change anybody's opinion, I'm just simply going at it with people here just to see who can back up what they say, and who can't, which is one's objective when they enter a debate. I hate to keep repeating myself, but you're driving me to it.

litaisextreme wrote:

This is just a debate for you to "correct" everyone's different opinions.
Whoops, I threw the opinion card again.

Who said that anybody is out to correct anybody? "Correction" is not the name of the game, and that's your problem. You've got it all twisted.

HLR wrote:

Wishmaster wrote:

also, its the WWEs fault that the REAL fans boo the fuck outta him. his promos are trash, as well as his matches

Real fans? You're just as bad as the rest of these sheep.

so im a sheep because i dont have my thumb up my ass and cheer for Cena every week like some puppet? sorry for realizing when someone doesnt have talent, i guess ill go root on Jeff Hardy even though he cant wrestle worth a damn

HLR wrote:

DR LL wrote:

HLR u dont have to be so rude about these things

Excuse me? Rude?

If you can't stand the heat then you better stay out of the kitchen. Debates are NOT pretty nor are they nice.

question, this isnt attacking someone? you contradict yourself when you say whos attacking who

God you quoted everything, I didn't think everything I said would really be that important. I never said I didn't like it, just that I didn't really think it was necessary. Besides, I like to jump in sometimes, I think it would be ok concidering there's no rule against it.


But, I am sorry if I did misunderstand you, like I said before, I just felt I should put my part in, which I still stand by rather it's wrong or right to you.

I'll butt out now, promise. Btw, this has turned into more of an argument twords other things then Cena, just saying.

Oh yeah, you asked why I asked you to chill?

Hmm, well, I quote:

Quote :

Who the fuck is attacking people? You need to chill the fuck out, because you getting bent out of shape over this is just pure fucking ridiculous. Don't be a prick

There was quite a bit of bad bad words in there which made you look like you needed to chill, that's why I said it. I never use the f word.

why haven't i posted in this thread? its filled with win.

care to elaborate on the "win" part
or discuss what u like about or dislike about cena
and you all should chil ahahaa

To be honest, I'm fine with Cena, but I don't think he's worth all this trouble. :P

Wishmaster wrote:

HLR wrote:

Wishmaster wrote:

also, its the WWEs fault that the REAL fans boo the fuck outta him. his promos are trash, as well as his matches

Real fans? You're just as bad as the rest of these sheep.

so im a sheep because i dont have my thumb up my ass and cheer for Cena every week like some puppet? sorry for realizing when someone doesnt have talent, i guess ill go root on Jeff Hardy even though he cant wrestle worth a damn

No. You're with the flock of sheep because this is the number one statement people hear from the rest of the Cena/Babyface hating sheep. Do you know how much the phrase "real fans" is thrown around in the IWC, most of the time used because everybody else is doing it?

Nobody even tried to be original anymore. It's pathetic. >_>

Wishmaster wrote:

HLR wrote:

DR LL wrote:

HLR u dont have to be so rude about these things

Excuse me? Rude?

If you can't stand the heat then you better stay out of the kitchen. Debates are NOT pretty nor are they nice.

question, this isnt attacking someone? you contradict yourself when you say whos attacking who

Attacking: *Kid walks down the hallway trying to get to class. You walk up to him and you begin punching him in the nose*

Retaliating: * Kid walks down the hallway trying to get to class. You walk up to him and punch him in the nose. The kid retaliates by knocking you to the ground and punting you in the skull RKO style.*

Sorry that the 2nd one is a bit more extreme, but it DOES illustrate the difference between "attacking" and "retaliating," and the situation is really no different here.

litaisextreme wrote:

God you quoted everything, I didn't think everything I said would really be that important.

In a debate, the best thing to do is try to address everything someone says, and try to counter it, that way they can't come back later and say, "You completely ignored this part of my post because you had nothing to say." >_>

litaisextreme wrote:

I never said I didn't like it, just that I didn't really think it was necessary. Besides, I like to jump in sometimes, I think it would be ok concidering there's no rule against it.

If you liked it, you wouldn't be complaining about it. It's a distraction from the topic at hand. And you're right, there isn't a rule against jumping in, but if you're gonna go swimming, watch out for sharks.

litaisextreme wrote:

But, I am sorry if I did misunderstand you, like I said before, I just felt I should put my part in, which I still stand by rather it's wrong or right to you.

Who said that there was anything wrong with that? The whole problem is that people keep digressing from the topic to get all personal. That's not my problem, nor is it my fault, because we're debating over Cena, not each other.

litaisextreme wrote:

I'll butt out now, promise. Btw, this has turned into more of an argument twords other things then Cena, just saying.

Now you're starting to get my drift.

litaisextreme wrote:

Oh yeah, you asked why I asked you to chill?
Hmm, well, I quote:

Quote :

Who the fuck is attacking people? You need to chill the fuck out, because you getting bent out of shape over this is just pure fucking ridiculous. Don't be a prick

There was quite a bit of bad bad words in there which made you look like you needed to chill, that's why I said it. I never use the f word.

Number 1, don't be partisan. Don't condemn one while you ignore the same actions of the other.

Number 2, notice that you didn't quote the post which I was responding too. That's called taking things out of context, which is another nono.

MFiSG [Bot] wrote:

To be honest, I'm fine with Cena, but I don't think he's worth all this trouble. :P

You're like the United States at the starting of World War II. You're remaining neutral, and you probably won't step in until someone attacks you first. lol.

ok, i get it. from now on im gonna sit on my couch every week with a Cena shirt on and cheer for him, even though i truely know how bad he sucks from watching his career since he debuted up until now. forget about the year long title reigns that werent needed, forget all the times he never lost to anyone. i apologize for understanding the truth that hes a piece of trash, i take it all back. i will now be a Cena ma....fan.

Wishmaster wrote:

ok, i get it. from now on im gonna sit on my couch every week with a Cena shirt on and cheer for him, even though i truely know how bad he sucks from watching his career since he debuted up until now. forget about the year long title reigns that werent needed, forget all the times he never lost to anyone. i apologize for understanding the truth that hes a piece of trash, i take it all back. i will now be a Cena ma....fan.

Why does everybody have to either be a fanboy, or wish death on the man? What the hell happened to respect for our performers? Calling Cena a "piece of trash" is a little extreme since you're berating him for just doing his job. That's all the man is doing. He has a script, and he's expected to to do what the writers have lined up for him.

As far as the year long title reign, you act as if the man chose to hold the belt for that long. The WWE heads do what they feel is good for business, and they felt that Cena was a great posterboy and a great representation of their empire. The only part Cena had in it, was doing what he's supposed to do. Whether he has the title or not, he still never wavers in his support for the company. He PR's at the drop of a hat. He's always leaving a good impression on people. It's Cena the person that the company judges not Cena the character, and I just can't for the life of me, grasp the logic of hating Cena the person. Just because Randy Orton is a dick on TV doesn't mean that I think he's a piece of trash. I just dislike his character. No need to get nasty.

also, there's no truth to what you say. You're speaking on pure emotion. Nobody in the WWE is a piece of trash. It's unnecessary to think that way. >_>

im not judging his personal life, im judging his in ring work. THATS what everyone hates so damn bad. his wrestling skills, i dont care what he does outside the ring, i dont hate him for that. i only hate him for how bad he is in the ring. what he does in the ring is on him, not the company. the company doesnt tell him to go out and have shitty matches, they dont determine what skill limit he can have. isnt that what this debate is about? his in ring work?

Nooooo.

It's about his all around persona. His character and his true personality.

Why does everything have to devolve into one's in ring work? It's pro wrestling for the love of God. It's not a real sport. <_<

because thats the only thing that sucks about him, his in ring work. if i knew him in person and shit i wouldnt be so judgmental. not a lot of ppl dont know what he does offscreen, nor do i think they care to be honest with you

Well, if his in ring work is "the only thing that sucks about him," why does that make him a "piece of trash?"

Isn't that a little extreme considering that this is a illusionist "sport," and basically a "variety show," as Vince McMahon himself puts it? Judging someone because of "in ring work" is a little distasteful I personally think.

I've never hated someone because of how they perform in the ring. <_<

because thats the thing that makes him a piece of trash, everyone goes "john cena can wrestle!" when he really cant. just for the record, you had your opinion and i can have mine, dont judge me because of it. now THATS a contradiction

Wishmaster wrote:

because thats the thing that makes him a piece of trash, everyone goes "john cena can wrestle!" when he really cant. just for the record, you had your opinion and i can have mine, dont judge me because of it. now THATS a contradiction

I'm judging you on your reaction, your way of answering someone, and your way of thinking.

Just for the record, you had your opinion, and I can have mine.

and i continue to have mine

Fair enough.

Just one thing though. You shouldn't come on with such an attitude. I think others can testify that you are a bit too angry at times, and you react in such a devious manner.

You were the first one to drop the "f" bomb in this thread. o_O

Just a little somethin to think about.

devious is my strong suit

And from what I've seen, it's gotten you into trouble.

it has? how has it gotten me into trouble. because a kid got too emotional about my opinion?

You mean the one who left? lol.

Blue was pretty pissed that you scared him away. lol.

lmao Devin? hes not a active member here to begin with. he got mad cause i said something about Lita not being at Wrestlemania. and Blue can get mad about that, id rather him be pissed for a legit reason then for a kid who shows up every once in a while

Oh, and trust me.

Nobody's gonna get emotional about your opinion. This is the internet after all. If I want a real opinion, I'll go to a real-life friend.

I just like to argue.

You guys aren't even talking about John Cena.

good point mick
didnt this thread die ages ago
arguing over things i dont even understand
it damn sure isnt about a difference of opinion
come on guys
dead dont stoop so low
and hlr dont stoop as low
ahaha

Do da Stanky Leg! lol.

what is that supposed to mean >.>

It's a song and a dance. LOL!

It's stuck in mah head. >_>

well that to me seems to be off topic....dont do it ahaha
so yeah cena is a good entertainer not the greatest wrestler end of

I wonder how hard I'd laugh if Cena did the Stanky Leg. LOL!

Honestly, I don't get the fans.

I don't get why people can't see the sincerity and the gratefulness of this man.

People go, "Oh I don't give a shit about him as a person, he's garbage because he sucks in the ring."

Where in the hell is the logic in that?

dont stoop low how and why?

cena has been the best wrestler in wwe for the past years.. His career is rising each year because he continues being a champ and many people enjoy watching him. another important factor of his career is cena being an actor. He has done a few movies budgeting millions of dollars. i think he is a good professional in and out of the ring, and a great person. He ain't that good as an actor though.

I think cena should send an FU and an STFU to all of his haters..

John Cena is an example of an extraordinary wrestler/entertainer and many people should follow that.....

tato023 wrote:

cena has been the best wrestler in wwe for the past years.. His career is rising each year because he continues being a champ and many people enjoy watching him a

who enjoys watching him, little girls?

Wishmaster wrote:

dont stoop low how and why?

What? Elaborate.

Dr. LL said that to me in his post, i was wondering what he meant by it

HLR wrote:

Honestly, I don't get the fans.

I don't get why people can't see the sincerity and the gratefulness of this man.

People go, "Oh I don't give a shit about him as a person, he's garbage because he sucks in the ring."

Where in the hell is the logic in that?

Speaking personally, why should I care about Cena or any other entertainer as a person? I wish them well in their personal life; however, I don't care enough to know what type of person they are. So haven said that, the only thing I really care about is what goes on is what I see on-screen (what type of performer I'm watching.) Cena falls into the category of guys who I'd probably like more if he didn't win match after match after match. Now I know that is WWE's responsibility to regulate the amount of who gets pushed. Unfortunately, when they see Cena, all they see is dollar signs - nothing more. I'll be honest though, it looks to me as if they're trying to utilize their other talents. The more stars you develop - the more money that is generated!

NCD speaks my language...lol

Imma Classiq wrote:

Speaking personally, why should I care about Cena or any other entertainer as a person? I wish them well in their personal life; however, I don't care enough to know what type of person they are.

Well NCD, you were quick to defend Bob Holly when he went into rehab......remember that? xD I believe this line was used, "We're not talking about Bob Holly the superstar, we're talking about Bob Holly the person" or something along those lines. So huh!

Well, Mick... in that case, I was talking about his health, not about his in-ring performance. I felt that if releasing him and sending him to rehab (or w.e they did at the time) was better than letting him suffer and continue popping painkillers. Two totally different scenarios!